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#1 knockmeup

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 01:58 PM

Has anyone else been told that Genesis never gives embryos a grade "A"? I was just wondering if I was told that to keep my spirits up and to help me stay positive about the transfer.

#2 tardycat

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 03:04 PM

I heard the same thing, directly from an RE there. By July of last year they hadn't had an A embryo all year long, until just the week before. She said all they transfer are B's and C's, which are just great.
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#3 knockmeup

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 03:27 PM

I heard the same thing, directly from an RE there. By July of last year they hadn't had an A embryo all year long, until just the week before. She said all they transfer are B's and C's, which are just great.


Oh wow, they are strict. Thanks for the info. GL with your beta!

#4 laura02

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 05:54 PM

My embryo was a CB... They still did a sET and I became pregnant. I remember being really concerned about my embryo grade at the time but it all turned out. They told me at the transfer that they never give A's. Good luck!
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#5 tabby

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 09:06 PM

In my fresh cycle I had two A-'s and a B+. They called the A-'s 'perfect' and I joked that they graded like English teachers (I teach math). That cycle gave me a BFN.
In my frozen cycle all my embryos were B's. Dr. H said that they had lots of pregnancies from B grade embryos. I was doubtful but one of these particular ones became my son.
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#6 baby2come

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:05 PM

In my first cycle almost 2 1/2 years ago, they transferred 2 A-'s. I think the lab has completely changed now though. they have a new embryologist and she/he doesn't give out A's anymore...or so I was told. I'm not sure if it depends on day 3 or day 5 transfer grades, but I was told that the letter grading is only based on appearance and that the majority of pregnancies come from B and C grade embryos.


Good luck with your current cycle!


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#7 Hopefull39

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 01:02 AM

In Aug. I transferred 3 embryos, 8A, 8B, 9B. The RE congratulated us and told us to prepare for multiples, that he had not seen embies this nice in a long time. We were celebrating and then BFN. I hope it goes better for you. But yes there is an A grade.
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#8 karenbabyready

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:57 AM

well i had an A and an A- back in 2008, i got pregnant but had a m/c at 12 wks... so i guess it didn't help me much.

then later that year, had 2 A- embies, got PG and had our son. did an FET in 2010 with a B and got a chemical.. but that's just me and it seems like there's a range of success stories. good luck!
38.5 years old, TTC since 2004..started as 'unexplained IF', now we know it's DOR & endo,DH 37 yrs. poor morph
2005/06 - clomid x10 months = nada ...charting/ timing/ BBT's = nada.

1st IVF/ICSI, 2007, cancelled poor response (bravelle/repronex)..RE says "it's like you haven't taken any meds at all"

CCT Jan '08 : high FSH day10=11.2, day 3= 6.6 DOR

2nd IVF/ICSI, 2008, 450 ui gonal F= only 2 follies- clinic recommended cancelling & go donor eggs, I'm stubborn- went to ER = BFP!
(beta at 16DPO= 430, 6wk u/s h/b detected) m/c @ 12wks

3rd IVF/ICSI, 2008, my eggs & DHEA (7wks prior). 450 ui gonal F =10 follies, 9eggs, 5 fert. 4 embies.. = BFP !
THANK YOU GOD! boy born June 2009

Oct 2010, FET, 2ET, chemical (beta at 14DPO= 65, 16DPO=38)

desperate for baby #2 and will start fresh cycle in 2011 switching from Genesis to VFC
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#9 Erin Elizabeth

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:19 PM

I had an A/B, the doctor told us that A's are equivalent to 120%......
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#10 snoah

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:38 AM

They had a whole revamp last year with their grading system and also their FET procedure changed...B's are the old A's...
March 24th - IVF Consult
16 eggs retrieved, 12 fertilized and 10 divided
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#11 Gimli

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 02:54 AM

I had the same question about this - the handout that they had given about embryo development wasn't too clear about this. I called the lab and spoke with an embryologist about this. She said that "A"s are never really given (she'd only seen 1 so far).

#12 JoeyT

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:23 AM

I was also told they don't give out A since the lab change . Mine wereBB and I now have twin boys. Good luck

#13 lyn_dub

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:17 AM

I had an appointment the other day and Dr. Yuzpe said they don't give out A's. He said our embryos at Grade B (two 8 cells, one 7) were fantastic and that no A's are given out.

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ultrasound showed lining very thick so have to have a hysteroscopy before starting IVF ...
April 2011
waiting for AF so I can book hysteroscopy. Hysteroscopy done. All looked to be fine.
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d&c done but lining went back to being thick. Put on Marvelon bcp for 2 months.
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IVF/ICSI #1
start with 75 Menopur 225 Gonal F, day 6 225 Menopur 225 Gonal F
ER - 11 eggs retrieved, 7 fertilized
ET - 3 embryos transferred (other 4 didn't make it to the frozen stage )
BFN

Follow up appt. in March
have to do 3 months of COQ10 and DHEA before proceeding.
Not sure if the CoQ10 worked but am quite sure the DHEA made things worse. Went off both vitamins after cycle was cancelled in May 2012.

May 2012
cycle cancelled due to poor response. advised to use donor eggs we're gutted. follow-up appt in June

June 2012
Dr. Yuzpe said my ovaries are NOT done! No donor eggs necessary! Cautiously optimistic. Have to lose 25 lbs and then can try another cycle.

 

January 2013

IVF/ICSI #2

Started with 150 Menopur/225 Bravelle. Menopur bumped to 225.

ER - 5 eggs, 4 fertilized

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#14 knockmeup

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:55 PM

Hi, just thought I would update this. I had asked the question because we transferred an A blast and a B blast. I think there might have been two letters (AB and BB?) but I just remember the first letter. We got pregnant with twins and delivered two healthy baby girls 6 months ago.

#15 waitingforbfp

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:29 PM

I have only one frozen embryo left that s graded 4CC. On other forums; many have said that it a very poor quality. I recently did a FET cycle and they had to thaw 3 (transferred 2) because one didn't survive the thaw. Was devastated. They said there is only a 60% chance of any embryo thawing properly (other clinics use different means of freezing which gives better chances of thawing properly). Trying to decide if I want to try and transfer the one 4cc embryo and risk it not thawing. I live in SE BC so would have to travel to Vancouver and wouldn't know till we showed up for the transfer. Decisions, decisions. Really wish Genesis had a 'Premier Payment Plan' like so many other clinics do (Victoria offers it and I am thinking about switching clinics). The premier plan is a multiple cycle plan and their costs (and stats) are much better than Genesis. Have to travel for either one. Now to decide.

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January 2001- M/C @ 9 weeks
February 2003- M/C @ 8 weeks
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November 2009- IUI with injectables- BFN
February 2010- IUI with injectables- BFN
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June 2012-Started taking Estrace for estrogen priming protocol
Blood test to see why af hasn't started. BFP with low numbers. Chemical Pregnancy
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August 19-Egg Retrieval 20 eggs; 18 fertilized; 11 made it to Day 5
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Sept 2-Took HPT (Faint Positive)
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FET#1(KRF/Genesis)-Oct 30 2012 On Estrace and Prednisone. Transferred 2 blasts (Had to thaw 3-one didn't make it. One left in the freezer)
Nov 13 2012- Beta- BFN

FET#2(KRF/Genesis) -Nov 16,2013 BETA Nov 27--Chemical Pregnancy 

 

IVF#2 (KRF/Olive)Consult Jan 27. (Doing CCS & immune treatments this cycle)

Estrogen Priming Starts February 19, 2014 YAY!!!!

STIMS START March 1, 2014

Retrieval Mar 13, 2014. 17 eggs retrieved, 16 of which mature and 15 fertilized. 

11 made it to blast and were biopsied and frozen. 5 NORMAL BLASTS yahoo.gif

FET with next af (transfer May, hopefully). 

FET transfer with One Normal Perfect Embryo May 15, 2014

5dp5dt--Faint positive on hpt. Darker on 6dp5dt yahoo.gif

BETA--May 26, 2014 (FX this is it)

ANOTHER F**KING chemical--beta 21 th_agrr.gif

FET#2--Lining scan on July 15. Lining at 10mm and dominate follicle is at 19mm. Waiting on ovulation to time transfer. Here we go again. FX this is it!!!

TRANSFER July 21, 2014--1 PGS Normal Blast

8th confirmed Chemical

 

LOOKING FOR A SURROGATE. Still have 3 PGS normal embryos frozen.

Trying again with my body......'initial' consult is April 14

 


#16 BCgirl

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:53 PM

WaitingforBFP - I am facing the same dilemma as you. I have a 4CC, 3CC and a CB embryo left at Genesis. I honestly sometimes dont think i even want to try with them as we've got BFN's from a 4BB, and 2-4CB's. However, Dr Wise in Kelowna has stated to us that she has seen a number of successful pregnancies with this quality and that it is not always the best ones that take. It is a tough decision though. I do understand for you it adds another element of worry when there is just one left but based on just grade alone it sounds like from what Dr Wise has told me, it is worth a try!

Good luck to you with whatever decision you decide to make!

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#17 waitingforbfp

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

Thanks BCgirl. I also go to Kelowna Regional. Dr Wise told me the same thing about embryo qualities. Have talked it over with my dh and we will go through will our FET with our last embryo with Genesis come Spring (although Dr Wise wants us to try another fresh cycle). Don't want to drive on the Coquihalla in the winter. Dr Wise mentioned that they are starting to do intralipid treatments in Kelowna, so we will ask about that for the cycle. If it doesn't work; we will be switching clinics and going to VFC.
Good luck with your cycle.

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TTC since 2000
Unexplained Secondary Infertility (Had a son while a teen and gave him up for adoption)
March 2000- M/C @ 11 weeks
January 2001- M/C @ 9 weeks
February 2003- M/C @ 8 weeks
2004-2007- 6 Cycles of clomid and natural conception- BFN
November 2009- IUI with injectables- BFN
February 2010- IUI with injectables- BFN
May 2012-Consult with KRF. Re-due blood tests and prep for IVF
June 2012-Started taking Estrace for estrogen priming protocol
Blood test to see why af hasn't started. BFP with low numbers. Chemical Pregnancy
IVF#1 (KRF/Genesis)--July 29, 2012- Estrogen Priming Protocol
August 19-Egg Retrieval 20 eggs; 18 fertilized; 11 made it to Day 5
August 24- Transferred 1 Blast; Froze 4 (the rest didn't make it overnight to Day 6)
Sept 2-Took HPT (Faint Positive)
Sept 5-Beta 3 (BFN--Another Chemical)
FET#1(KRF/Genesis)-Oct 30 2012 On Estrace and Prednisone. Transferred 2 blasts (Had to thaw 3-one didn't make it. One left in the freezer)
Nov 13 2012- Beta- BFN

FET#2(KRF/Genesis) -Nov 16,2013 BETA Nov 27--Chemical Pregnancy 

 

IVF#2 (KRF/Olive)Consult Jan 27. (Doing CCS & immune treatments this cycle)

Estrogen Priming Starts February 19, 2014 YAY!!!!

STIMS START March 1, 2014

Retrieval Mar 13, 2014. 17 eggs retrieved, 16 of which mature and 15 fertilized. 

11 made it to blast and were biopsied and frozen. 5 NORMAL BLASTS yahoo.gif

FET with next af (transfer May, hopefully). 

FET transfer with One Normal Perfect Embryo May 15, 2014

5dp5dt--Faint positive on hpt. Darker on 6dp5dt yahoo.gif

BETA--May 26, 2014 (FX this is it)

ANOTHER F**KING chemical--beta 21 th_agrr.gif

FET#2--Lining scan on July 15. Lining at 10mm and dominate follicle is at 19mm. Waiting on ovulation to time transfer. Here we go again. FX this is it!!!

TRANSFER July 21, 2014--1 PGS Normal Blast

8th confirmed Chemical

 

LOOKING FOR A SURROGATE. Still have 3 PGS normal embryos frozen.

Trying again with my body......'initial' consult is April 14

 


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