Hi There,
I was wondering if you would recommend this after a failed IVF. Obviously during IVF you are on a lot of drugs & since having it fail I am looking to try to purify my body.
I have tired the salt water cleanse-Would this be ok to do again? Any supplements you would recommend before tring agin?
Thanks so much.
Cleanse/Detox after failed IVF
Started By
Riley22
, Feb 15 2010 09:45 AM
4 replies to this topic
#1
Riley22
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 09:45 AM
ME- 35 DH-35
TTC since November 2006
5 Failed IUI's
MFI Poor Motility
October / November 09- Cancelled IVF just before retreival due to high progesterone
Jan / Feb 2010 IVF/ICSI -9 fertilized -transfered one perfect blast - BFN
March / April 2010 Natural FET - Transfered one blast- BFN
April 2010 Endo Biopsy done - No issues found
June 2010 Natural FET (2) 3 day Embryos BFN
September 2010 Natural FET- 2 Blasts - BFP! Beta 64 @ 7dp5dt
Second Beta 9dp5dt 210
First ultrasound showed TWINS
<a href="http://lilypie.com/"><img src="http://lmtm.lilypie....com/lq2Gm4.png" width="200" height="80" border="0" alt="Lilypie Maternity tickers" /></a>
TTC since November 2006
5 Failed IUI's
MFI Poor Motility
October / November 09- Cancelled IVF just before retreival due to high progesterone
Jan / Feb 2010 IVF/ICSI -9 fertilized -transfered one perfect blast - BFN
March / April 2010 Natural FET - Transfered one blast- BFN
April 2010 Endo Biopsy done - No issues found
June 2010 Natural FET (2) 3 day Embryos BFN
September 2010 Natural FET- 2 Blasts - BFP! Beta 64 @ 7dp5dt
Second Beta 9dp5dt 210
First ultrasound showed TWINS
<a href="http://lilypie.com/"><img src="http://lmtm.lilypie....com/lq2Gm4.png" width="200" height="80" border="0" alt="Lilypie Maternity tickers" /></a>
#2
Luckypenny
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 01:02 PM
Hi Charlie! What is the salt water cleanse? Just curious.
Me: 35 DH:35
Dx: Unexplained
Started ttc September 2006
November 2007 - Initial consult at LifeQuest
January 2008 - Diagnostic testing.
February 2008 - Test results - No problems with DH. Dr. suspected I had a PCOS variant and that I probably wasn't ovulating. Suggested superovulation (injectibles) with or without IUI
Decided to forgo treatment for the time being and focus on improving my health.
March 2008 - October 2009 - LOTS of alternative therapy. You name it, I tried it!
February 2009 - confirmed via cycle monitoring I was now ovulating and my ovaries both look fine. Officially unexplained IF. Hmmm, now what?
Next Steps: Had initial consult with Dr. Virro at Markham Fertility Centre on October 1, 2009. Hysteroscopy/laproscopy performed on February 5, 2010. Post op appointment on March 8, 2010. Found out one small spot of endo removed from uterus and a very tiny septum resected.
Started BCP on March 31, 2010.
First IVF (first anything!) cycle after.
Last BCP April 20th.
Started stims: April 25 (Puregon - varied from 100iu to 42.5iu, Menopur - 75iu, and orgalutron)
ER date - May 5th.
14 retrieved, 11 mature, 7 fertilized - 4 via IVF, 3 via ICSI
3 days past retrieval - 5 8-cell embryos (3 via IVF, 2 via ICSI), 2 lagging 6-cell embryos (1 via IVF, 1 via ICSI)
ET on May 10, 5day past retrieval - tranferred 1 "superb, could sell it on e-bay" embaby - grade 5AB0! 4 more "lovely" totsicles (2 5day, 2 6day). The ivf embies did better than the icsi embies.
Beta - May 21s: BFP! Beta was 507! Still early days, but we're happy to be pg!
Viability scan - June 11. Baby right on track, heartrate of 140bpm, measuring 7weeks 1day at just over 1cm long. HOWEVER, big cyst in my right ovary. Going back for another u/s in two weeks to monitor the cyst.
U/S to monitor cyst - June 24 - cyst shrank slightly. Baby still measuring on track, 9weeks 1day and just over 2cm long, heartrate of 167bpm
12week u/s - July 12 - cyst had shrank to 2cm. Baby looked like a baby! Moving around and flailing arms and legs. Just over 5.5cm long, heartrate of 160bpm. Nuchal scan and nasal bone both looked good. Doctor's appointment went well.
20 week ultrasound and doctors appointment - baby looks good - its a girl
Test results from IPS test show a 1 in 20,000 risk of a chromosomal abnormality. Placenta is partially covering cervix, doctor will check again at 32 weeks.
26 week doctors appointment - GD test
30 week doctors appointment - got GD test results, I passed. Baby measuring on track, good strong heartbeat
32 week doctors appointment - u/s to check placenta position to see if it has been pulled up from my cervix and also to check baby's size
Dx: Unexplained
Started ttc September 2006
November 2007 - Initial consult at LifeQuest
January 2008 - Diagnostic testing.
February 2008 - Test results - No problems with DH. Dr. suspected I had a PCOS variant and that I probably wasn't ovulating. Suggested superovulation (injectibles) with or without IUI
Decided to forgo treatment for the time being and focus on improving my health.
March 2008 - October 2009 - LOTS of alternative therapy. You name it, I tried it!
February 2009 - confirmed via cycle monitoring I was now ovulating and my ovaries both look fine. Officially unexplained IF. Hmmm, now what?
Next Steps: Had initial consult with Dr. Virro at Markham Fertility Centre on October 1, 2009. Hysteroscopy/laproscopy performed on February 5, 2010. Post op appointment on March 8, 2010. Found out one small spot of endo removed from uterus and a very tiny septum resected.
Started BCP on March 31, 2010.
First IVF (first anything!) cycle after.
Last BCP April 20th.
Started stims: April 25 (Puregon - varied from 100iu to 42.5iu, Menopur - 75iu, and orgalutron)
ER date - May 5th.
14 retrieved, 11 mature, 7 fertilized - 4 via IVF, 3 via ICSI
3 days past retrieval - 5 8-cell embryos (3 via IVF, 2 via ICSI), 2 lagging 6-cell embryos (1 via IVF, 1 via ICSI)
ET on May 10, 5day past retrieval - tranferred 1 "superb, could sell it on e-bay" embaby - grade 5AB0! 4 more "lovely" totsicles (2 5day, 2 6day). The ivf embies did better than the icsi embies.
Beta - May 21s: BFP! Beta was 507! Still early days, but we're happy to be pg!
Viability scan - June 11. Baby right on track, heartrate of 140bpm, measuring 7weeks 1day at just over 1cm long. HOWEVER, big cyst in my right ovary. Going back for another u/s in two weeks to monitor the cyst.
U/S to monitor cyst - June 24 - cyst shrank slightly. Baby still measuring on track, 9weeks 1day and just over 2cm long, heartrate of 167bpm
12week u/s - July 12 - cyst had shrank to 2cm. Baby looked like a baby! Moving around and flailing arms and legs. Just over 5.5cm long, heartrate of 160bpm. Nuchal scan and nasal bone both looked good. Doctor's appointment went well.
20 week ultrasound and doctors appointment - baby looks good - its a girl
Test results from IPS test show a 1 in 20,000 risk of a chromosomal abnormality. Placenta is partially covering cervix, doctor will check again at 32 weeks.26 week doctors appointment - GD test
30 week doctors appointment - got GD test results, I passed. Baby measuring on track, good strong heartbeat
32 week doctors appointment - u/s to check placenta position to see if it has been pulled up from my cervix and also to check baby's size
#3
Riley22
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 02:31 PM
Hi Charlie! What is the salt water cleanse? Just curious.
Hi Lucky penny
Salt Water Cleanse Recipe
1 large cup of water
1 /or 2 Level TEASPOONS Sea Salt, (my preference is Celtic Sea Salt) with no additives.
Juice from a Lime/Lemon - if required to offset the taste
The Salt Water Cleanse is a gentle method to flush out your entire digestive tract. Actually, it is often called the salt water flush because it flushes right through you.
I like it because if I do it properly, I am complete with the flush in 1 to 1-1/2 hours and then I don't have to be by the bathroom the rest of the day.
ME- 35 DH-35
TTC since November 2006
5 Failed IUI's
MFI Poor Motility
October / November 09- Cancelled IVF just before retreival due to high progesterone
Jan / Feb 2010 IVF/ICSI -9 fertilized -transfered one perfect blast - BFN
March / April 2010 Natural FET - Transfered one blast- BFN
April 2010 Endo Biopsy done - No issues found
June 2010 Natural FET (2) 3 day Embryos BFN
September 2010 Natural FET- 2 Blasts - BFP! Beta 64 @ 7dp5dt
Second Beta 9dp5dt 210
First ultrasound showed TWINS
<a href="http://lilypie.com/"><img src="http://lmtm.lilypie....com/lq2Gm4.png" width="200" height="80" border="0" alt="Lilypie Maternity tickers" /></a>
TTC since November 2006
5 Failed IUI's
MFI Poor Motility
October / November 09- Cancelled IVF just before retreival due to high progesterone
Jan / Feb 2010 IVF/ICSI -9 fertilized -transfered one perfect blast - BFN
March / April 2010 Natural FET - Transfered one blast- BFN
April 2010 Endo Biopsy done - No issues found
June 2010 Natural FET (2) 3 day Embryos BFN
September 2010 Natural FET- 2 Blasts - BFP! Beta 64 @ 7dp5dt
Second Beta 9dp5dt 210
First ultrasound showed TWINS
<a href="http://lilypie.com/"><img src="http://lmtm.lilypie....com/lq2Gm4.png" width="200" height="80" border="0" alt="Lilypie Maternity tickers" /></a>
#4
DrFionaMcCulloch
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 08:42 PM
Hi Charlie,
Thanks, this is a really good question! I usually do recommend some form of cleansing for those patients undergoing repeated IVF cycles. The salt cleanse you have mentioned here would be completely ok to do if you have found it helpful. Salt has highly osmotic properties, meaning that it will draw a large amount of water into the intestine, and through that, stimulate the bowel to flush contents out. So, the salt cleanse is in essence mostly an intestinal type of cleanse. It might not be the best to continue over a longer period because for obvious reasons too much salt is not so great for the health of the kidneys and arteries, but often this type of cleanse is done one or a few times only.
Usually to keep the body healthy after repeated IVF cycles, I recommend a longer period of liver support as part of the cleansing process. The liver is the organ primarily responsible for the conjugation and processing of hormones, so it's essential to keep it healthy if you are doing cycles. If you keep your liver in good shape, it should be able to effectively manage processing the hormones. For liver support, I often recommend a liver specific formula in the cleanse, including herbs such as milk thistle, dandelion, curcumin, burdock, gardenia, polygonia, artemesia and antioxidants such as R Alpha Lipoic Acid along with a high quality fibre blend. These herbs can help to support the function of the hepatocytes, detoxify the liver cells, increase bile, and provide antioxidant properties. Many of these herbs are supported by research for their benefits to the liver tissues and enzymatic processes.
Hope that is helpful and have a wonderful evening!
Dr Fiona
Thanks, this is a really good question! I usually do recommend some form of cleansing for those patients undergoing repeated IVF cycles. The salt cleanse you have mentioned here would be completely ok to do if you have found it helpful. Salt has highly osmotic properties, meaning that it will draw a large amount of water into the intestine, and through that, stimulate the bowel to flush contents out. So, the salt cleanse is in essence mostly an intestinal type of cleanse. It might not be the best to continue over a longer period because for obvious reasons too much salt is not so great for the health of the kidneys and arteries, but often this type of cleanse is done one or a few times only.
Usually to keep the body healthy after repeated IVF cycles, I recommend a longer period of liver support as part of the cleansing process. The liver is the organ primarily responsible for the conjugation and processing of hormones, so it's essential to keep it healthy if you are doing cycles. If you keep your liver in good shape, it should be able to effectively manage processing the hormones. For liver support, I often recommend a liver specific formula in the cleanse, including herbs such as milk thistle, dandelion, curcumin, burdock, gardenia, polygonia, artemesia and antioxidants such as R Alpha Lipoic Acid along with a high quality fibre blend. These herbs can help to support the function of the hepatocytes, detoxify the liver cells, increase bile, and provide antioxidant properties. Many of these herbs are supported by research for their benefits to the liver tissues and enzymatic processes.
Hope that is helpful and have a wonderful evening!
Dr Fiona
Dr. Fiona McCulloch, BSc., ND : Naturopathic Doctor, Integrative Women's Health & Fertility
White Lotus Integrative Medicine
Greenfield Ave, Suite 201
North York, Ontario, M2N 3CBCanadaphone (416) 730-8218
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Roan
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Posted 29 April 2016 - 08:15 AM
Hi Fiona,
Can you tell me how long I should take your recommended herbs to help you detox your liver after a failed ivf?
Thanks
Can you tell me how long I should take your recommended herbs to help you detox your liver after a failed ivf?
Thanks
Roan
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