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[GraceM]

Brutal. Create is half the price for ivf with CSI and pgs! I chose Create over Hannam. I hated the atmosphere at Hannam.

[Sweet_Pea]

Hmm, so if PGS is around 5,000, and FET is around 3,000 - does that mean that IVF with ICSI and AH is 15,000? (23k-8k from your quote). I'm just wondering if Hannam's lab is the be all and end all as they claim. Other clinics charge about 10,000 for IVF, ICSI and AH

[izzie_mis]

Hi sweet pea, I just received my quote a week ago. The ICSI and AH were included in our IVF quote with the FET quote being separate. All in it will be around $23,000 with PGS. But individually ICSI is $1800, pICSI is $700, AH is $500, and FET is $2800.

Hope this helps!

Hey chantalword, so pICSI is $700 and ICSI is $1800? I did the funded cycle, and the doctor said ICSI is covered but I had to pay for pICSI and that's what he wanted me to do.

 

At first I thought pICSI is $700 extra but now you make me think that the doctor made me do pICSI just so they can make money!

 

I really started to doubt this clinic now....

[izzie_mis]

I did funded cycle and I haven't done my transfer yet. i have already paid 10k for my meds and PGS and some tests....

 

Looks like I can spend the same money somewhere else and get much better services!!!

[Sweet_Pea]

 

Hi sweet pea, I just received my quote a week ago. The ICSI and AH were included in our IVF quote with the FET quote being separate. All in it will be around $23,000 with PGS. But individually ICSI is $1800, pICSI is $700, AH is $500, and FET is $2800.

Hope this helps!

Hey chantalword, so pICSI is $700 and ICSI is $1800? I did the funded cycle, and the doctor said ICSI is covered but I had to pay for pICSI and that's what he wanted me to do.

 

At first I thought pICSI is $700 extra but now you make me think that the doctor made me do pICSI just so they can make money!

 

I really started to doubt this clinic now....

 

On a good note - it looks like you have 8 embryos for PGS!!! That's outstanding!

[izzie_mis]

Thanks Sweet Pea.  I was happy about this number!! Wish you lots of luck too!!!!

 

I chose this clinic because how close it is to my office but I think the lab is really the key. They take care of all the steps after ER is done.

[chantalword]

Hmm, so if PGS is around 5,000, and FET is around 3,000 - does that mean that IVF with ICSI and AH is 15,000? (23k-8k from your quote). I'm just wondering if Hannam's lab is the be all and end all as they claim. Other clinics charge about 10,000 for IVF, ICSI and AH

 

Yup our quote for IVF was around $15,000 before we added PGS. It's a lot and some stuff has been frustrating, but I'm trusting that they know what they are doing. Our actual egg retrieval isn't until near the end of April we're hoping things will have normalized by then.

 

 

 

Hi sweet pea, I just received my quote a week ago. The ICSI and AH were included in our IVF quote with the FET quote being separate. All in it will be around $23,000 with PGS. But individually ICSI is $1800, pICSI is $700, AH is $500, and FET is $2800.

Hope this helps!

Hey chantalword, so pICSI is $700 and ICSI is $1800? I did the funded cycle, and the doctor said ICSI is covered but I had to pay for pICSI and that's what he wanted me to do.

 

At first I thought pICSI is $700 extra but now you make me think that the doctor made me do pICSI just so they can make money!

 

I really started to doubt this clinic now....

 

 

ICSI and pICSI are separate charges on my quote. I'm not sure how the funded cycles work so I'm not sure if it was just to make money. Although I wouldn't rule it out, I have in the past fought them on ridiculous charges that I refused to pay.

[Zouz]

Hi sweet pea, we had the similar experience as well at Hannam with Dr Redmond. We only met her twice, even though our cycle was not funded as it was done in 2013/2014. While my er dr ssod that she was unable to reach my left overy therefore we had only 5 eggs from which only 1 survived till day 3. We went to their new clinic again at the end of 2014 and didn't move forward as it seemed like all they cared was how much money they could make.

[Sweet_Pea]

Hello 

I want to create this topic to share for people doing IVF at Hannam.  There might be one already, but I couldn't find.

I have done one  IVF cycle last month in Hannam and through all the process I felt that I am dealing with rushed money making robots. Maybe my feeling is a little bit tinted by the devastating results that we got without any explanation.

First I explain my IVF journey, so I am 34, normal to high antibody (17%) male factor, and Dr. Robb at Hannam is my doctor.

My response to IVF medications was great and all the way no concern , although I felt that the nurses at Hannam didn't know anything, were always in rush.  Youtube  helped me more than nurses all along the way and for my injections  tutorials.

I got 20 eggs retrieved, 14 mature, all 14 federalized.

until day 3 I have got calls that everything was perfect, textbook case. 12 were growing nicely, two were slower and might be day 6.

at day 6 I got a call that I have just one egg left. It was a  day 5 that is send for Chromosome screening.

I was sad and shocked, and called the nurses and asked that I want to cancel the Chromosome testing since I have  just one and there is no point of screening. They said it is not possible. I sent an email and reminded them that I have told them before that with one egg I won't do screening. and then I have got a call from doctor Robb. I haven't got any call from clinic for my health follow up after my procedure.

I was mad, it was adding  insult to injury, my doctor called me regarding the financial aspect of my IVF instead of actually discussing the actual IVF results. When I asked about the results, he offered as much as it was a bad luck and they don't know more and it is nature. and then he found out that nobody has been following up after the procedure. Thanks god I had an ok recovery.

I am mad and my thinking is so fogged that I can't even stay positive about by only left embryo. I feel hopeless. I would really appreciate anybody with feedbacks, experiences , comments

to shed some light on this.

 

Thanks and sorry for being such a nag.

Hi May35. How are things going? I had great day 3 results at Hannam too, and they all arrested by day 5. Their lab is supposed to be top notch. What did your RE say happened?

[May35]

Hello 
I want to create this topic to share for people doing IVF at Hannam.  There might be one already, but I couldn't find.
I have done one  IVF cycle last month in Hannam and through all the process I felt that I am dealing with rushed money making robots. Maybe my feeling is a little bit tinted by the devastating results that we got without any explanation.
First I explain my IVF journey, so I am 34, normal to high antibody (17%) male factor, and Dr. Robb at Hannam is my doctor.
My response to IVF medications was great and all the way no concern , although I felt that the nurses at Hannam didn't know anything, were always in rush.  Youtube  helped me more than nurses all along the way and for my injections  tutorials.
I got 20 eggs retrieved, 14 mature, all 14 federalized.
until day 3 I have got calls that everything was perfect, textbook case. 12 were growing nicely, two were slower and might be day 6.
at day 6 I got a call that I have just one egg left. It was a  day 5 that is send for Chromosome screening.
I was sad and shocked, and called the nurses and asked that I want to cancel the Chromosome testing since I have  just one and there is no point of screening. They said it is not possible. I sent an email and reminded them that I have told them before that with one egg I won't do screening. and then I have got a call from doctor Robb. I haven't got any call from clinic for my health follow up after my procedure.
I was mad, it was adding  insult to injury, my doctor called me regarding the financial aspect of my IVF instead of actually discussing the actual IVF results. When I asked about the results, he offered as much as it was a bad luck and they don't know more and it is nature. and then he found out that nobody has been following up after the procedure. Thanks god I had an ok recovery.
I am mad and my thinking is so fogged that I can't even stay positive about by only left embryo. I feel hopeless. I would really appreciate anybody with feedbacks, experiences , comments
to shed some light on this.
 
Thanks and sorry for being such a nag.

Hi May35. How are things going? I had great day 3 results at Hannam too, and they all arrested by day 5. Their lab is supposed to be top notch. What did your RE say happened?

[May35]

Sweet- Pea
Sorry for very late reply since I have been through a lot since then, well doctor didn't say much more than I could find on Internet,tough luck. He said that they don't know exactly and I brought up the possibility of sperm problems that show up in embryo genome after day three and he said that might be. To be honest with you I lost my trust in him, since another incident happened that made me sure he doesn't read the tests carefully and he doesn't remember his patients at all. I got a copy of my file with all tests and found out that I have high prolactine after IVF. I booked a session to discuss all I have found out in the tests that he didn't tell us before. In the meeting he went over the ivf results and I reminded him that we already had that WTF appointment. So after this I decided not to transfer for a couple of months to take a break from roller coaster and feel myself again. I couldn't bear another heartbreak of the transfer not going well. Specially not with dr Robb since I have lost my trust in him. The plan was to transfer coming September. My blood test after Ivf showed I have high prolactine and it meant I won't ovulate on my own. To fix that and because I was tired of medication I consulted a herbal medicine consultant and she advised using Vitex. I started using it on May 15th and I did a couple of acupuncture sessions and to our surprise I found out last week that I am pregnant naturally.
I am five weeks and 1 day and I just want to update you and say have hope. Try all the avenues. Drs don't have all the answers although they are overconfident in their cookie cutter approaches. I hope you got the good news or get it very soon. With love

[FertiliTee]

First off, I'm sorry to hear about the struggles you're going through with your IVF. I just wanted to add our (granted somewhat limited) experience with the Hannam clinic.

 

We know two couples who did IVF at Hannam a few years ago and recommended them highly to us. I believe they were both with Dr. Hannam and at the old clinic before they moved to the newly renovated one at Yonge and Bloor.

 

We were assigned to Dr. Robb, who did our initial testing and diagnosis. Due to my husband's low sperm counts and overall poor quality, they recommended that he take a bunch of vitamins to see if they would help the counts and suggested we try a round of IUI. I was skeptical because my husbands counts had been testing too low for what they said they would like to see for IUI, but we thought we may as well try IUI since we had the option and we didn't think we would. After we did the first round of IUI (BFN), Dr. Robb confirmed that the counts were still too low and that we should move right to IVF, so in hindsight I'm not sure why they had us bother with IUI at all. But at least they were honest with us and stopped us after one round.

 

At that point we were added to the lovely IVF lottery (we have lost out on two draws now). Dr. Robb told us in one of our consultations that because their new lab is so top-of-the-line and expensive to operate that the clinic actually loses money on the funded cycles and that they were contemplating whether or not it's worth it for them to continue to offer them, as they're a business and technically the people paying for IVF cycles were cushioning their loss on the funded cycles. At first we said we understood from a business perspective, but then it sunk in to us that by saying that it shows that they're really looking out more for their own financial best interests than those of their patients. 

 

We decided to see if we could get on a waiting list for the funded IVF at another clinic and ended up at Trio. We actually like the doctor we have there much better. He explained things much more thoroughly and in better detail than Dr. Robb, and even told me a few new things about my tests that had not come up before. Where Dr. Robb described my outlook as "good, but not stellar", our new doctor took the time to carefully explain my test results to me using actual data and gave me a much better picture of where I stand in comparison to other women my age. They were also much more transparent and informative about the whole IVF pricing and process and so far we have gotten good care from the nurses. We are doing a paid cycle with them in August as we likely won't get the funding until next year. 

 

Overall we found Dr. Robb a little too casual about our care and the clinic a bit impersonal and cold. I will say again that we haven't had extensive experience there, but we are much happier at Trio.

[quandry]

My route to hannam was pretty roundabout, but I was happy with our care... I was with mfc and decided to do a de cycle overseas in Zlin due to costs here in Canada. Dr Virro was supportive right up till I got pg. then he stopped writing the scripts for the required meds. I panicked, and asked my gp to write them for us. Instead he got us into hannam, where we had a consult with dr hannam himself. He was very personable and welcoming. He helped with meds, warned me off the ones that needed weaning, and set me up with a nurse who would help track my pregnancy. Cecile was amazing and so were the US staff. They kept us on till our 12 week us with the high risk clinic and were very good about following not only US, but blood work as well (we suspect my loss at almost 14 weeks at mfc was due to them not following my thyroid).

Overall I was pretty happy with hannam clinic... But I did not receive ivf or fertility treatments there.

[autumnmarie]

I just got a call from Hannam saying they have open spots for this quarter's funded cycles. They have decided that if you choose to proceed with them, on a funded cycle, you need to put down an $8,000 deposit. They'll subtract the cost of meds from that but you have to get the meds there.
All they're interested in is how much they can make.

[Sweet_Pea]

I just got a call from Hannam saying they have open spots for this quarter's funded cycles. They have decided that if you choose to proceed with them, on a funded cycle, you need to put down an $8,000 deposit. They'll subtract the cost of meds from that but you have to get the meds there.
All they're interested in is how much they can make.

[Sweet_Pea]

You're kidding me. That's a serious conflict of interest. I'm wondering what the college of physicians and surgeons of ontario would say about this...

[autumnmarie]

I didn't even think of sharing that info with the College or the fact that it's a conflict...I was just so stunned at how blatant they are about being profit focused and not even pretending to care about patients.

[Sweet_Pea]

Also, they would be excluding people that have drug coverage or preventing them from using it if they want a spot. It's a serious abuse of power.

[Sweet_Pea]

Also, they would be excluding people that have drug coverage or preventing them from using it if they want a spot. It's a serious abuse of power.

Never mind, I forgot you can still get coverage if purchased through the clinic. Regardless, it's still an abuse of power!

[Hopingfor1]

Also, they would be excluding people that have drug coverage or preventing them from using it if they want a spot. It's a serious abuse of power.

Never mind, I forgot you can still get coverage if purchased through the clinic. Regardless, it's still an abuse of power!

Definitely it is terrible! A lot of people that have coverage have a lifetime dollar limit on fertility drugs. Between my husband and I, I had $18,000 and still paid another $7,000 out of pocket by the end of our treatment. And that was buying at Glen Shields and specifically requesting the Gonal F multidose vial instead of the pens for savings. Hannam and other clinics don't even carry it.

I don't know Hannam's pricelist now (but I'm curious). Several years ago it was much more expensive than where I bought and I'm sure that is the same now.

A clinic shouldn't be allowed to do this. If I was told this, I'd be checking with the Ministry and CPSO to find out if it is allowed.

[Sweet_Pea]

I agree - it's sickening. Meds at hannam are marked up higher than any other clinic. I go to Glen Shields as well to save.

AMH and Vitamin D testing is another conflict at Hannam. They go through life labs, and I know for a fact AMH is $62 and Vitamin D is $33. Hannam charges $160 for AMH and $100 for vitamin D!!! I sent someone there and told them I could test their amh and vitamin D for them because their mark up is insane. The RE said that they had to go through Hannam for consistancy. They're using Life Labs too!!!