Acupuncture and Chinese herbs
Posted 06 January 2016 - 12:00 AM
Posted 06 January 2016 - 09:28 AM
I understand your dilemma: you want to do what will give you the best chances and two "experts" give you opposite advice. All I can tell you is that at this point you have to choose who you want to trust on this... My personal choice when I was faced with a similar issue was to follow the doctor's advice because I was concerned about interactions with the medications he was prescribing... But I did continue acupuncture treatments (no herbs).
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IVF#1 April 2013: BFP 9 weeks
IVF#2 Sept 2013: BFP 9,5 weeks
IVF#3 May 2014: Embryo banking: 4 blasts
IVF#4 July 2014: Embryo banking: 3 blasts
PGS Result August 2014: All 7 blasts are abnormal... Moving on to DE.
Transfer #1 Feb. 2015: BFN
Transfer #2 June 2015: BFN
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1st beta 12dp3dt: 421 2nd beta 14dp3dt:1025 Viability US (6w6d): One perfect baby measuring 7.0 weeks with HB of 130!!
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20-week US: Baby girl right on track!
Posted 06 January 2016 - 10:23 AM
Hi Positive and Helpful
Some IVF clinics permit Chinese herbs and some do not when you are taking medications for an IVF or FET.
Personally, we have an integrated relationship with Olive in Vancouver so if I think it is warranted to take herbs then I discuss it with their doctor. Depending on the case sometimes we do and most times we do not.
Doctors just do not know about herbs and they like to error on the side of caution and just say no.
I usually do not use herbs if it is your first fresh IVF. I do recommend herbs in the months leading up to your IVF but stop before you would start your IVF
There are cases where I have prescribed herbs during an IVF with their IVF doctors agreement.
It is a case of them not trained in herbs and looking after your best interest and just saying no. This does not mean this this the best approach in all circumstances but it is what it is.
It is always better of the patient when both your IVF doc and your acupuncturists agree and do not put you in the middle. I usually have the talk with your IVF doc so you do not have the stress of choosing. I am your advocate so if I think it is very important in your case I strongly advocate for you to take herbs. If I am doing it to help with the odds but if it is not a key ingredient then I will agree and not use the herbs.
What I often recommend for FET that I think need herbs to help with uterine receptivity (repeated IVF failures of good blastocyst, clots and painful menses, very light menses or feeling cold especially in abdomen) is to delay the FET so you can take herbs for 2-3 cycles then stop herbs when you start estrogen to build your lining for your FET. And if you have a history of Asherman's I may be inclined you take herbs until your transfer. And if you come to me and you are just starting your FET I would normally not start you on herbs but recommend acupuncture 2-3 per week until transfer.
Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine and Clinical Hypnotherapist
Founder and Clinical Director Acubalance Wellness Centre (British Columbia)
Posted 06 January 2016 - 07:10 PM
If I lived in Vancouver I would definitely come by for a consult! I have an appointment with my fertility doc tomorrow and I will try to speak to him about it again.
I think what I will do is continue the herbs and stop them when I begin taking estrogen before my next FET. I will definitely continue with acupuncture.
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