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#26 jc31

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 04:25 PM

Hi S,
It was honestly no big deal, but I highly recommend my clinic's advice of taking a painkiller beforehand (whatever you usually take - advil, tylenol, midol etc.) i found the only painful part was when they injected the dye, but that lasted about 10 seconds max. And, not to be too graphic, but bring some pads because the dye slowly leaks out. luckily, it's colourless :)
Good luck, and I'll be sending you good tube vibes! :)
JC

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Posted 27 July 2007 - 09:57 AM

Hi S,

I'm so happy to hear that things are moving along quickly for you...I hope I have the same luck.
Let us know how it goes. I'll say a little prayer for you tonight :)

Best of luck,
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 10:26 AM

Well thats done! An it really wasn't that bad. I had some cramping during, maybe even a little more than anticipated, but it only lasted a minute. After it was done I was fine and I've had no cramping since. And the best part... looks like all is clear! Phewph! :D Thanks for the thoughts and prayers!
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 10:29 AM

That is great news, I'm so happy to hear that everything went well.

:D ro
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DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 05:50 PM

That's awesome news, SM.
RO - one more to go then we'll all be through that hurdle!
Have a nice weekend ladies - my goal is to lay off on the heavy conversation for a couple of days around here.
But...for your reading...I found the American Urological Association And the American Reproductive Association Practice Guidelines for Obstructive Azoospermia. Not that DH and I have that diagnosis yet (vs. unobstructive), but you know, it's 50/50. Explains the procedures and comments on microsurgery vs. IVF. The files are too big to upload but here are the links: I think they are the same document but in case there are differences (one is listed as 2001, on as 2006) I've included them both. Just some nice beach/patio reading!


http://www.auanet.or...zoospermia1.pdf

http://www.asrm.org/...ructiveazoo.pdf

Have a nice weekend!
JC

Edited by jc31, 27 July 2007 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2007 - 08:40 AM

Hi JC,

That's for the info, I have actually read the first article already. The day after our GP gave us the bad news I sat in front of the computer for hours reading and printing articles. I did that for a few days and now decided that until we know why type of azoospermia DH has I won't do anymore reading. It's all a little too much.

We had a baby filled weekend, no matter how much I try I can't seen to get away from all the children that have been born to our family/friends in that last 2 years. I love playing with them and hate it all at the same time. It really hurts.

We haven't seen our niece and nephew is about a month, I know its horrible but I used to look at them and wonder if our children would look similar. Plus my sister-in-law is borderline evil so it hard to be around her. The family doesn't know what's up with us so she just thinks we're being asses and not coming by to see the kids. As punishment she won't return my calls either (I tell you, she's borderline evil).

How do you get over the pain of seeing all these kids and go back to enjoying their company and wanting to be around them again?

ro
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DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
November 19, 2009 - it's a GIRL

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Posted 30 July 2007 - 04:44 PM

Hi RO,
I agree that the pain gets that much worse around the 'borderline evil' people who seem to feel out the weakness.
Recently two colleagues of mine were chatting near me in the lunchroom about disciplining their kids. As I had nothing to offer on the topic, I said nothing. Then, with no provocation, the one swirled around and said meanly, "There's JC sitting so smug and quiet thinking that it'll be so different when she has kids." I think the pain was worse than a slap.

It's a catch-22 when people don't know what you're going through (and like you, my family doesn't know yet). You don't want to entrust that information to everybody, but at least if they knew, they'd stop saying, "when are you going to have kids?" I haven't decided which I prefer, as I am by nature, pretty private, and everyone seems to have an opinion about assisted reproduction. This is why I haven't discussed it with family yet, because I feel that DH and I need to be clear what we want without family weighing in. I don't blame you for wanting to avoid your sister in law at a time of vulnerability. No one else should make you feel badly for how you need to be right now, even if it means needed to spend some time away from family and friends' kids. I couldn't even walk my dog through the local park the first couple of weeks after I found out because of the swarms of moms and kids (I am under the deluded impression that everyone in my neighbourhood has recently had a kid...).

Hang in there - I know how you feel!

JC

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 11:49 AM

Hi girls,

I think dealing with other pregnancies has been the hardest part for me. Between our friends, family and co-workers I've never been surrounded by so many pregnant people!! How's that for timing? But I actually feel like the new babies are easier to deal with, it was the pregnancies that I found really tough. I have one friend who has been a close friend since we were kids. She knows we've been trying for a long time and that we're investigating but I haven't told her more than that. She just had a baby a couple of weeks ago. When she was pregnant I didn't feel like she was trying to act different around me, which I was greatful for... she was excited and deserved to be enjoy her happy time. But she was also one of those pregnant people who was like 'look at me, I'm pregnant'... so I had to avoid her on some occasions. Now that she's had the baby, and I could just be imagining this, but it seems like she's avoiding me. I've seen him only once and I know through other people that she's getting out lots and visiting. So I wonder if she feels like maybe its hard for me and she's trying to spare me. I could be totally wrong about that. But in a way I do feel like there is this whole gang now that I was hanging out with regularly and they are all off on mat leave and having play dates and I'm kind of outside that circle now and its lonely out here :-(

And like you said JC -- the whole catch-22 with to tell or not to tell is true for me too. Some days I feel like telling everyone just to get it off my chest and have them know so I don't have to live through all the awkward comments that come from not telling. But then we're pretty private people too and I don't want everyone to know my business. Especially before we know for sure what the whole story is and what decisions we're going to be faced with. I do think our friends and family would be very supportive, I'm just not ready.

Anyway, hopefully time will resolve all these feelings. In the meantime this site helps to not feel so lonely.

S.
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


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Posted 31 July 2007 - 12:35 PM

Hi Girls,
Although we do not face azoospermia, but we are dealing with severe MF. Since the whole thing does not seem to hurt my dh ego, but I felt lost,so I told it to my sister, my mom, and my 5 friends hoped for support.
Now I think I shouldn't have told anybody, or maybe only to my family.
My sister (also TTC 1 yrs no pregnancy yet) was very supportive and actually telling them made them start to make some check ups on themselves too. My mom also supportive, but she doesn't really believe there is such a thing as infertility, she just think we are not having sex ofter enough. She started to tell me how inspire my husband,and started to tell me recipes which are good aphrodisiacs. Well, she is a true 60's girl :icon_wink:
On the other hand my friends do not turned out very supportive.
2 of my friends have small kids and they are stay home mommies right now. One of them answer was: oh too bad, but guess what is a good thing: I am making jam these days...
The other one just had her first baby in march and she can not talk about anything else just her baby and kept sending me baby pics almost on daily basis. So I told her that we are dealing this issues and although I am happy for her, I can not digest that amount of baby stuff at this moment. She never contacted me ever since...
When I told the issue my other 3 friends , who are singles/ or in noncommited relationships, the reaction was even worse. None of them showed a bit of understanding. They answer was that enjoy life , go partying, and lucky us we do not need to worry about birth control?!
So I think no to tell friends is the right decision. Well, I can not change it back now, but I will not tell anybody else.
I think having unpleasant comments from people who doesn't know is still hurt less then facing they ignorance when they do know.

Ope
right now me : 37 Dh:40

TTC #1: natural TTC 1.5 yrs
Dh: 35, Severe Male factor infertility, morphology is 1-2%
Me: 32 , tubes open, no endo, regular ovulation, all hormones are good, 3rd day FSH 5.3 , antral follicle count is 12, only problem is my weight BMI: 30

IVF/ ICSI #1: 2008 February -McGill, Montreal
Long protocol: BCP for 1 month, burselin from CD21, 300 Gonal F and 150 Luveris for 10 days
ER: 11 egg , 6 mature , 5 fertilized, 3rd day transfer:a 7 cell & an 8 cell embyos, no frosties.
1st beta : 13dp3dt: 77, BFP
2008,November 19th: Adam has arrived 7 lb 4 oz, 21"

TTC #2: natural TTC 1.5 yr
Dh :39 morphology went up to 4%, we meet the IUI cutoff! count are fluctuating from 30 to 105 million, motility is great. Caryotyping is normal
Me: 36 FSH is slightly elevated and keep rising 8.5, 8.8, 8.9, 9.8 , AFC is still 12, everything else looks good.

IUI #1: Edmonton, 2011 January ,Clomid 50mg (x5), 106 mil ,68% motile, grade 4 :BFN
IUI #2: Edmonton, 2011 February, Clomid 50mg (x5), 30 mil, 57% motile, grade 3: BFN
IUI #3: Edmonton, 2011 March, Clomid 50mg (x5), 88 mil , 49% motile, grade 4: BFN
IVF#2: 2011 May, Edmonton: long protocol , nasal suprefact : CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
IVF#3: 2011 August, Edmonton: short protocol/natural start: CANCELLED due to high progesterone
IVF#4: 2001 September, Edmonton: short protocol with BCP: CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
Change clinic

IVF #5: 2012 March-April Hungary: stimulation starts march 28, 300 Menopur
mixed protocol: BCP for months, CD3: Menopur 300& lupron for 8 days
ER : April 8th , 4 eggs retrieved, all were mature and fertilized with ICSI and AH
ET : April 11th, 1 A quality 8 cell, and 1 A quality 4 cell embryo transferred, no frosties.
BFP on the HPT at 7dp3dt: happy 37th birthday to me :D
Beta: , 12dp3dt: 150, 2nd Beta, 15dp3dt: 550
Anna has arrived on 21st December after being induced at 39 week. She is 6 lb 9 oz, 20" , and has blue eyes, and long dark brown hair and just perfect !

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 02:11 PM

Hi ladies,

Wow, what great info and insight.

I don't feel like I'm a private person, I'm kind of an open book and I don't think I (we, any of us) have anything to be ashamed of so the decision not to tell my DH's family was his. He wants to figure out where we stand first and I respect that.

I've told my mom, who is probably more saint like than mother Teresa, and has already initiated a number of prayer groups at her church. God bless her, but sometimes the "don't you believe in miracles" speach is way to much to handle. My girlfriends are fantastic so telling them isn't an issue for me at all, its more like free therapy. My best friend is also dealing with some fertility issues so we at least have eachother for comfort and support.

I'm just really sensitive to the rest of the world right now, as you girls seem to be as well. Babies and pregnant women are everywhere (no, we are not imagining it) and keeping a straight face can be really hard.

I have a really strange neighbour who I spoke with for the first time last weekend. She has a 2 year old son and a 4 month old daughter. After speaking to her for the very first time, and only for 5 minutes, she told me to start having babies. Even asked when I was ovulating! What a wierdo. I obviously didn't answer the question and left the conversation. She's an extreme case but people do make comments and my fake smile is wearing thin.

Only good news is that we only have 2 more weeks to wait until we see the urologist for the first time, August 15th. Hopefully after that we'll get to know more about DHs condition and decide what to say/not say.

This is such a bummer...I need a glass of wine!!!

ro
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DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
November 19, 2009 - it's a GIRL

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Posted 01 August 2007 - 07:29 AM

Welcome Ope... I'm sorry to hear that you had such a poor experience with telling your friends. Your last comment about comments from people who don't know hurting less than from those who do is very true. Some days people will say things that will really get to me but then I have to step back and think if they only knew they would probably feel so bad for having said it.

But Ro, you're right, we have nothing to be ashamed of and I think its fantastic that you've opened up to some people. Thier support will really help you throughout all this. And Ope sounds like you and your sister will be a great source of support for each other as well. I actually have a girl I work with who I have confided in about it all and she's been fantastic. She has 3 kids and is just very supportive about it all and always has the right thing to say. It really helps.

I know that our friends and family would be supportive as well. Most of our close people either know that we're having issues or at least assume it by now, just none of them know all the details. I think once we know more we will start to open up certain people more than we have. I think my issues with my friends right now is more how I feel about it than anything they have done. In Jan 06 I was talking to 4 of my friends and all 5 of us were on the brink of starting to try. It was such an exciting time, the thought of all of us all being off at the same time and our babies being the best of friends. Well now they all are and I'm just feeling left behind to deal with all the emotions of infertility. They all got pregnant with no issues, the last one is due any day. So naturally any time I've been around them its been pregnancy and baby talk... which is just really hard sometimes. I am happy for them and I'm trying to enjoy thier babies but some days its a lot to take.

Ro -- I think the story about your neighbor is kind of funny. She is a weirdo... ha ha ha.
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


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Posted 07 August 2007 - 11:13 AM

Hi JC, S, Ope,

Hope you all had a nice long weekend.
Anything new? Any progress for any of you?
We have one more week to wait until our first urologist appointment, then the fun begins!

Hope all is well,
ro
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DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
November 19, 2009 - it's a GIRL

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 07:04 PM

Hey Ro,
We are also in a holding pattern. We have another appt next week with the RE to review all of the lab work, genetics etc. and to talk about the possible options. We have our urology appt in September so I'll be curious to hear from you what to expect. This wait seems sooo long!
Hope everyone and their DHs are doing well.

JC

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 08:11 AM

Hi JC,

I'll certainly let you know what the uruologist's plans for us next week. I've very curious to see what it is that that they plan to do first. Our first appointment with a fertility specialist isn't until September 18th so we won't be able to get me checked out until then. It's great that your doctor already did some of the prliminary testing, lab work, genetics, that way its one less thing you have to wait for. We haven't done anything so for so it's going to take a long time until we can start making plans for our future.

I'll take notes next week and let you know what you and your DH can expect.
Good luck with your DR. I hope you get good news!

ro
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DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:34 AM

Hi Ro,
There isn't any real news with us nowadays.
Although my dh second SA came back and the count was 5 times the last one(110m, yee), but the morphology went down from 3% to 2%, so overall is not better at all :( .
I asked Peter about it, and he answered 2% is borderline for ICSI, usually clinics use the rule that if morphology 1% then it requires ICSI no matter of the count.
Obviously there is nothing physically wrong with him as there is enough production, so his family dr does not even sent him to an urologist, because there is nothing to check further.
Morphology is a problem the medical science know the least of it and usually the reason is genetic or drug abuse which is obviously not a case with him who never even smoke a regular cigarettes in his life.
So we are waiting to the clinics referal to give IVF a try, and hoping that the morphology would not decrease any further until then.

Meanwhile he went for TCM specialist. Now he is drinking some herbal tea with a discusting taste and have acupuncure once a week. We are hoping, but even the chinese dr said that morphology is the hardest problem to deal with, count and motility issues he had great success in previous patients.
So for the next 2-3 months there will be nothing hapen to us just waiting for the clinic response.
I am not a very patient person, so the waiting drives me nuts. To keep my mind off the problem I doubled my paddling time and went back to the gym, and also sign up for an obedience class with my dog. Actually my doggy keeps me going, he is so smart I might go compete with him :)
I hope everybody is well
Ope
right now me : 37 Dh:40

TTC #1: natural TTC 1.5 yrs
Dh: 35, Severe Male factor infertility, morphology is 1-2%
Me: 32 , tubes open, no endo, regular ovulation, all hormones are good, 3rd day FSH 5.3 , antral follicle count is 12, only problem is my weight BMI: 30

IVF/ ICSI #1: 2008 February -McGill, Montreal
Long protocol: BCP for 1 month, burselin from CD21, 300 Gonal F and 150 Luveris for 10 days
ER: 11 egg , 6 mature , 5 fertilized, 3rd day transfer:a 7 cell & an 8 cell embyos, no frosties.
1st beta : 13dp3dt: 77, BFP
2008,November 19th: Adam has arrived 7 lb 4 oz, 21"

TTC #2: natural TTC 1.5 yr
Dh :39 morphology went up to 4%, we meet the IUI cutoff! count are fluctuating from 30 to 105 million, motility is great. Caryotyping is normal
Me: 36 FSH is slightly elevated and keep rising 8.5, 8.8, 8.9, 9.8 , AFC is still 12, everything else looks good.

IUI #1: Edmonton, 2011 January ,Clomid 50mg (x5), 106 mil ,68% motile, grade 4 :BFN
IUI #2: Edmonton, 2011 February, Clomid 50mg (x5), 30 mil, 57% motile, grade 3: BFN
IUI #3: Edmonton, 2011 March, Clomid 50mg (x5), 88 mil , 49% motile, grade 4: BFN
IVF#2: 2011 May, Edmonton: long protocol , nasal suprefact : CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
IVF#3: 2011 August, Edmonton: short protocol/natural start: CANCELLED due to high progesterone
IVF#4: 2001 September, Edmonton: short protocol with BCP: CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
Change clinic

IVF #5: 2012 March-April Hungary: stimulation starts march 28, 300 Menopur
mixed protocol: BCP for months, CD3: Menopur 300& lupron for 8 days
ER : April 8th , 4 eggs retrieved, all were mature and fertilized with ICSI and AH
ET : April 11th, 1 A quality 8 cell, and 1 A quality 4 cell embryo transferred, no frosties.
BFP on the HPT at 7dp3dt: happy 37th birthday to me :D
Beta: , 12dp3dt: 150, 2nd Beta, 15dp3dt: 550
Anna has arrived on 21st December after being induced at 39 week. She is 6 lb 9 oz, 20" , and has blue eyes, and long dark brown hair and just perfect !

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 09:49 AM

Hi Ope,

Sorry you got bad news, it really sucks but try to keep your spirits up.
I don't think the most patient person in the world would be able to deal with the type of waiting that we're faced with. It is absolutely ridiculous how long it takes to get a diagnosis and then to get treatment.

My body could use a trip to the gym but I'm feeling lazy these days. Like you my puppy keeps my happy (my furry little baby).

I've been reading some of the threads about going through IVF and they sound kind of scary. It seems like a lot ot torture to our bodies, both a physical and emotional strain. I hope that I am strong enough to get through that process, if that's what it comes to. I guess I'll need to toughen up.

How long do you have to wait for a referal for IVF?
Does everything involve waiting!!!!

Chat soon,
ro
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DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
November 19, 2009 - it's a GIRL

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 10:30 AM

Hi,

Good to hear from everyone. Ope -- sorry to hear about the latest results.

Not much new from our end either. After our appointment with the RE in June we were sent for a number of tests and DH went for the last one this morning (SFA). So they are supposed to call us today to confirm that all of our other test results have been sent back to them and then we should hear soon about when our follow-up appointment will be. I'm hoping sometime before our vacation at the end of the month, hopefully that's not just wishful thinking :-)

Also, I think I mentioned before that we finally got a letter from the urologist sending dh for some blood work and another SA. So dh called thier office to confirm that those tests were done but the office is closed until the end of the month. So, we still don't have an appointment for that yet either. We had heard that could be 10-12 month from the time of referral and its 7 months now so.... the waiting continues. So I'll be really anxious to hear what the urologist tells your DH Ro. One thing that surprises me is that we've known since February about the azoospermia and no one has actually examined dh yet... wouldn't that seem like one of the first things they would do??

The waiting is tough... I found it really hard after our referrals went in and we just weren't hearing anything... that was 3 months of just waiting for the phone to ring. The last 3 months we at least had tests and appointments to get done and felt like things were moving along. But now that summer is winding down and all the tests are done, I'm getting anxious to get things moving again!! Sometimes I try to think that if things go well maybe next year at this time we'll be expecting 1 or 2 (or maybe even 3 babies!! wouldn't that be nice) so I should enjoy this time to ourselves instead of wishing it away. Also sometimes I think that we've been trying for 15 months which has actually gone by pretty fast. So I think probably in the next 6 months we'll have our answers and hopefully a game plan... these are the little mind games I play with myself so that I don't go insane with the waiting! :P


S.
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


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Posted 08 August 2007 - 10:56 AM

Hi S,

Wow, that is such a long wait. I can't even believe that. Looks like this is going to take even longer than I thought!!!
And you're right, why has an exam not taken place yet, that seem too odd since its probably the easiest thing to do.
I'll let you know what course of action our urologist maps out for us.

I play those same mind games with myself. Next year at this time...I'd love to be a big fat pregnant chick in a bikini (bad mental image).
I keep laying out a calendar for my life, when things will get moving, when the pregnancy will happen, when that babies will finally be here.

I started reading "The Secret" this past weekend and I'm not sure if I'm believing the whole theory but ity says that it you imagine something you want in your life and think happy, positive thoughts about that something you want then the law of attraction says you will have that in your life. So right now I am thinking happy thoughts of twins, I secretly desire twins running a muck in my house. I don't know if the law of attraction really works but its all I got right now so I'm going to hold on to my happy thoughts.

Chat soon,
ro
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TTC since May 2006
DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
November 19, 2009 - it's a GIRL

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 12:07 PM

The waiting is truly awful!
I chat here with a couple of other ladies who are from the my city(Edmonton) and here it takes on average 12-14 months for IVF from the time of the bad news arrival. 4 months waiting for the local fertility clinic appointment, which actually does not even do IVF procedure. They do some more check ups here and do IUI , if they think it is worth it. Otherwise they just gave a referral to the Foothill clinic which an other 4 month until the appointment. After that maybe an other 2-3 months before the procedure starts. So we might get into the local clinic by October and if there is some chance we try IUI in the winter, but the real hope is in the IVF which is not until next summer.
I am also very scared from the IVF procedure, mainly because of the countless horrible stories I read on this site. However, I think that sample is not really representative. People who have early success and no complication with IVF move on from this site. I guess there is no way knowing how your body will react until you actually try it. If I'll have complication we will stop after the very first IVF because my health worth more then being pregnant.
We are also going to attend an adoption seminar at the fall, and probably we will start adoption process parallel to the IVF.
So one way or an other we will have a child in the next 1-3 years.
'Til then I just play with my four legged baby :)
Cheers
Ope
right now me : 37 Dh:40

TTC #1: natural TTC 1.5 yrs
Dh: 35, Severe Male factor infertility, morphology is 1-2%
Me: 32 , tubes open, no endo, regular ovulation, all hormones are good, 3rd day FSH 5.3 , antral follicle count is 12, only problem is my weight BMI: 30

IVF/ ICSI #1: 2008 February -McGill, Montreal
Long protocol: BCP for 1 month, burselin from CD21, 300 Gonal F and 150 Luveris for 10 days
ER: 11 egg , 6 mature , 5 fertilized, 3rd day transfer:a 7 cell & an 8 cell embyos, no frosties.
1st beta : 13dp3dt: 77, BFP
2008,November 19th: Adam has arrived 7 lb 4 oz, 21"

TTC #2: natural TTC 1.5 yr
Dh :39 morphology went up to 4%, we meet the IUI cutoff! count are fluctuating from 30 to 105 million, motility is great. Caryotyping is normal
Me: 36 FSH is slightly elevated and keep rising 8.5, 8.8, 8.9, 9.8 , AFC is still 12, everything else looks good.

IUI #1: Edmonton, 2011 January ,Clomid 50mg (x5), 106 mil ,68% motile, grade 4 :BFN
IUI #2: Edmonton, 2011 February, Clomid 50mg (x5), 30 mil, 57% motile, grade 3: BFN
IUI #3: Edmonton, 2011 March, Clomid 50mg (x5), 88 mil , 49% motile, grade 4: BFN
IVF#2: 2011 May, Edmonton: long protocol , nasal suprefact : CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
IVF#3: 2011 August, Edmonton: short protocol/natural start: CANCELLED due to high progesterone
IVF#4: 2001 September, Edmonton: short protocol with BCP: CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
Change clinic

IVF #5: 2012 March-April Hungary: stimulation starts march 28, 300 Menopur
mixed protocol: BCP for months, CD3: Menopur 300& lupron for 8 days
ER : April 8th , 4 eggs retrieved, all were mature and fertilized with ICSI and AH
ET : April 11th, 1 A quality 8 cell, and 1 A quality 4 cell embryo transferred, no frosties.
BFP on the HPT at 7dp3dt: happy 37th birthday to me :D
Beta: , 12dp3dt: 150, 2nd Beta, 15dp3dt: 550
Anna has arrived on 21st December after being induced at 39 week. She is 6 lb 9 oz, 20" , and has blue eyes, and long dark brown hair and just perfect !

#45 MacReady

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 02:19 PM

Its so funny that you guys keep talking about your dogs. We're both dog people and would love to have one but we're just not home enough. The day we got the bad news I was on one end of the couch crying and DH was on the other end in shock and after a long stretch of silence he looked at me and said 'so, what kind of dog do you want to get?' and I burst out laughing... it still makes me laugh when I think about that.

Ope -- when you said 12-14 months I was thinking 'wow, that's a long time' but actually... that's probably similar to here. I'm in Nova Scotia and I think the way it typically works is your doctor will put in a referral to the IWK where you would go to do most of the diagnostic testing and then from there they would refer you to the AART for treatments. But the IWK and AART work pretty closely with each other. So for us, in February our referral went to the IWK, we waited 3 months and then ended up going to an info session put on by the AART. We talked to a doctor while there and she called the IWK for us the next day and had our file pulled over to the AART. So we went directly to the AART. But I'm guessing it will be at least late this fall or early next year before we start ivf (if that turns out to be an option for sure)... so that will be pretty close to a year. But we're already 1/2 way there which is crazy... as impatient as I am sometimes, time is really flying by. At our next appointment I plan to ask when we could potentially start cycling...

Ro - that book sounds interesting.
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


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#46 MacReady

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 07:50 AM

Hi girls,
Apparently the thought of having our follow-up appointment before our vacation really was wishful thinking :-( We were left a message yesterday that our doctor was off for the month of September and all booked up until then. So I called this morning and the earliest appointment they have is Oct 5th. 8 weeks away.... to say I'm dissappointed would be an understatement. And apparently he books September off every year, so I'm really ticked off that it wasn't suggested that we book our follow-up when we were there in June. I hadn't thought of it that day because there was so much to take in, but I did think of it later but our last appointment was booked pretty fast so I just assumed it would ok to wait until our tests were all done. URGH!!! Anyway, lesson learned... I will be booking all of our appointments in advance from now on.

I have to go read my previous posts about time going by fast because right now it seems like October is a lifetime away and that we're just moving towards this moving target that keeps getting further and further away!

Sorry for the rant. Hope you're all having a better day than me :-(

S.
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


Moving on...

#47 Ope

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 01:00 PM

Hi girls,
Apparently the thought of having our follow-up appointment before our vacation really was wishful thinking :-( We were left a message yesterday that our doctor was off for the month of September and all booked up until then. So I called this morning and the earliest appointment they have is Oct 5th. 8 weeks away.... to say I'm dissappointed would be an understatement. And apparently he books September off every year, so I'm really ticked off that it wasn't suggested that we book our follow-up when we were there in June. I hadn't thought of it that day because there was so much to take in, but I did think of it later but our last appointment was booked pretty fast so I just assumed it would ok to wait until our tests were all done. URGH!!! Anyway, lesson learned... I will be booking all of our appointments in advance from now on.

I have to go read my previous posts about time going by fast because right now it seems like October is a lifetime away and that we're just moving towards this moving target that keeps getting further and further away!

Sorry for the rant. Hope you're all having a better day than me :-(

S.

I am so sorry to hear that. I know ,any additional bad news or delay can hurt soo much these days.
Hopefully your vacation uplift your spirit. It always help a little bit of break from everything. :beach:
Cheers
Ope
right now me : 37 Dh:40

TTC #1: natural TTC 1.5 yrs
Dh: 35, Severe Male factor infertility, morphology is 1-2%
Me: 32 , tubes open, no endo, regular ovulation, all hormones are good, 3rd day FSH 5.3 , antral follicle count is 12, only problem is my weight BMI: 30

IVF/ ICSI #1: 2008 February -McGill, Montreal
Long protocol: BCP for 1 month, burselin from CD21, 300 Gonal F and 150 Luveris for 10 days
ER: 11 egg , 6 mature , 5 fertilized, 3rd day transfer:a 7 cell & an 8 cell embyos, no frosties.
1st beta : 13dp3dt: 77, BFP
2008,November 19th: Adam has arrived 7 lb 4 oz, 21"

TTC #2: natural TTC 1.5 yr
Dh :39 morphology went up to 4%, we meet the IUI cutoff! count are fluctuating from 30 to 105 million, motility is great. Caryotyping is normal
Me: 36 FSH is slightly elevated and keep rising 8.5, 8.8, 8.9, 9.8 , AFC is still 12, everything else looks good.

IUI #1: Edmonton, 2011 January ,Clomid 50mg (x5), 106 mil ,68% motile, grade 4 :BFN
IUI #2: Edmonton, 2011 February, Clomid 50mg (x5), 30 mil, 57% motile, grade 3: BFN
IUI #3: Edmonton, 2011 March, Clomid 50mg (x5), 88 mil , 49% motile, grade 4: BFN
IVF#2: 2011 May, Edmonton: long protocol , nasal suprefact : CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
IVF#3: 2011 August, Edmonton: short protocol/natural start: CANCELLED due to high progesterone
IVF#4: 2001 September, Edmonton: short protocol with BCP: CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
Change clinic

IVF #5: 2012 March-April Hungary: stimulation starts march 28, 300 Menopur
mixed protocol: BCP for months, CD3: Menopur 300& lupron for 8 days
ER : April 8th , 4 eggs retrieved, all were mature and fertilized with ICSI and AH
ET : April 11th, 1 A quality 8 cell, and 1 A quality 4 cell embryo transferred, no frosties.
BFP on the HPT at 7dp3dt: happy 37th birthday to me :D
Beta: , 12dp3dt: 150, 2nd Beta, 15dp3dt: 550
Anna has arrived on 21st December after being induced at 39 week. She is 6 lb 9 oz, 20" , and has blue eyes, and long dark brown hair and just perfect !

#48 RO'sBaby

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Posted 10 August 2007 - 08:52 AM

Hi S,

Rant away...sometimes you just have to let it all out to whoever is willing to listen. And we're all willing!
Sorry to hear about the delay, that really sucks. I hope your vacation will ease your mind for a little while so remember to relax and enjoy.

Ope - I hear what you're saying about the IVF stories. Some are encouraging but most of them are down right scary.
Our bodies will take a beating but I'm definitely willing to try and see what happens. I would love nothing more than to be able to have my DH's biological child (giving that that is a possibility). Again, it's all a waiting game. This is the worst game I've ever played!!!!!!!!!!

Hope you girls have a lovely weekend,
ro
ME-31, DH-29
TTC since May 2006
DH diagnosed with azoospermia July 9, 2007
November 19, 2009 - it's a GIRL

#49 jc31

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Posted 11 August 2007 - 11:31 AM

Hey Ladies,

S - that really sucks. Someone a few posts back said that we're playing the game of 'hurry up and wait.' I think that says it perfectly.
I know that it frustrates me because DH and I put off kids for my career even though DH has been ready for years. It never occurred to me that once we'd finally reached 'the right time' that a) it wasn't just going to work because we'd planned it and B) that the 'when' really comes down to this handful of specialists that we all wait to see. My heart goes out to you - you must be sooo frustrated.

Ope and Ro - I'm glad you guys said it because it had been on my mind lately as I've been finding out more of what we'd actually have to go through. Those little acronyms like ER and FET are somewhat minimizing given what these procedures actually are. Not to mention hormones...jeez, mine are bad enough already!

I feel like I've somewhat re-entered the real world these last couple of weeks. Everything's been so surreal for so long. A funny thing happened - I told my boss recently, and not to be stereotypical or anything, she's an older single career woman so it had just never occurred to me....Anyways, not only was she empathetic, she said that she had been through it herself a few years back and so completely understood. It gave me a new perspective in that even if you feel like you 'know' the people around you, you just don't know the actual trials and sorrows that they put on a brave face to cover every day.

Anways, enough babbling. But just think of the 'postponed again,' actually created because those ladies were also frustrated with the wait. And a year later, they all made it through successfullly!

Keep your spirits up!
JC

#50 MacReady

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:11 AM

Hi All...

It's so nice to have a place to come to vent all your feelings and have people who understand completely, listen and be there to say just the right thing. Thanks! And JC - I love the reference to Postponed Again (my inspiration thread!). I hadn't thought of that. Here's to us all being mom's or mom's-to-be by this time next year and the inspiration for the next group of ladies struggling with this.

I'm glad your boss was so understanding. It so true that you just don't know what people are going through in thier personal lives. I also told my boss a couple of weeks ago after needing the day for the HSG. I just told him that we've been having trouble starting a family and that doctors appts and testing were likely to start becoming more frequent and he was really awesome about it. He said that family should always come first and any time that I need will not be a problem and he'll do anything he can to help make it easier for me. I anticipated that he'd be good about it but it was nice to get it out and to know that if and when we get to an ivf cycle that I can adjust my work load and take the time I need to reduce as much stress as possible.

Ro -- Good-luck with the urologist this week. I'll be thinking of you and hoping you get some good news.

Have a great week everyone!

S.
Age: Me 37 DH 35
TTC since May '06
NO-Azoospermia (SCO)
1st Attempt
1st dIUI: Mar '08, BFN
2nd COH/dIUI: May '08,BFP!!
Beta 16dpiui 489, 22dpiui 4471
Our sweet baby girl arrived Jan 14, 2009!
2nd Attempt
IVF #1 Feb/Mar 2011, BFP!! m/c at 12wks :-(
IVF #2 Jan/Feb 2012 - BFP!! Beta 113... f/u beta and u/s confirm blighted ovum, m/c @8wks :-(
TDI Feb/2013, BFN
TDI Apr/2013, BFN


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