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Fertility levels based on fsh,estrogen levels and number of follicles before starting IVF


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Poll: fsh levels,estrogen levels and number of follicles before IVF (148 member(s) have cast votes)

fsh levels before starting ivf

  1. before ivf my fsh level was above 10 (24 votes [16.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.11%

  2. before ivf my fsh level was between 6 and 10 (83 votes [55.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.70%

  3. before ivf my fsh level was 5 or below (42 votes [28.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.19%

estrogen level before ivf

  1. my estrogen level before starting ivf was below 100 (71 votes [47.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.65%

  2. my estrogen level before starting ivf was between 100 and 200 (55 votes [36.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.91%

  3. my estrogen level before starting ivf was between 200-300 (16 votes [10.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.74%

  4. my estrogen level before starting ivf was above 300 (7 votes [4.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.70%

number of follicles before starting ivf

  1. 3-5 follicles (30 votes [20.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.13%

  2. 5-7 follicles (25 votes [16.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.78%

  3. 7-10 follicles (24 votes [16.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.11%

  4. 10-13 follicles (23 votes [15.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.44%

  5. 13-20 follicles (27 votes [18.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.12%

  6. above 20 follicles (20 votes [13.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.42%

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#1 Lola99

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:56 AM

Hope this poll works. Any ladies out there who know this info and would like to share that would be great. Remember this is before you started the ivf process. I want to see if the various levels impact the outcome of ivf.

Thnx lola

#2 Des

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 09:21 AM

Hi Lola,
Can you please explain a little bit what is considered a day 1?
Is that day 1 before you start steems? Sort of 14 days before ER?
I do not remember my numbers from my failed cycle, nor did I know that they are able to see any folies at that point :dontknow:
But if I know what it is, I would ask the next time!
I will be starting Puregon in about 10 days...
Thanks a lot!
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TTC: 4 years
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#1 IVF-ICSI in Jan.'06 - no fertilization on 7 eggs using frozen TESA sperm
#2 IVF-ICSI - Aug.15 '06 - ER w/ TESA / Aug.20 - ET 2 blasts / Aug.31 - beta 238 (11dp5dt) / Sep.5 - beta 1800 (16dp5dt)
Sep.18 u/s showed 2 heartbeats 112 & 122
Christine was born @ 11:59 pm on April 26th weighing 2.8 kg and 51 cm
Simon was born @ 00:01 am on April 27th weighing 2.6 kg and 50.5 cm

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#3 Ope

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 06:28 PM

Hi Lola,
are you asking 3rd day values for FSH and estrogen? These hormons may have different values based on which day of the cycle. In any case I had a problem to answering the poll. My fsh is 5.3 (3rd day value ) and I am starting IVF now. In any case it is not bettwen 6 and 10 and it is ne]ot below 5. So what should I vote?
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right now me : 37 Dh:40

TTC #1: natural TTC 1.5 yrs
Dh: 35, Severe Male factor infertility, morphology is 1-2%
Me: 32 , tubes open, no endo, regular ovulation, all hormones are good, 3rd day FSH 5.3 , antral follicle count is 12, only problem is my weight BMI: 30

IVF/ ICSI #1: 2008 February -McGill, Montreal
Long protocol: BCP for 1 month, burselin from CD21, 300 Gonal F and 150 Luveris for 10 days
ER: 11 egg , 6 mature , 5 fertilized, 3rd day transfer:a 7 cell & an 8 cell embyos, no frosties.
1st beta : 13dp3dt: 77, BFP
2008,November 19th: Adam has arrived 7 lb 4 oz, 21"

TTC #2: natural TTC 1.5 yr
Dh :39 morphology went up to 4%, we meet the IUI cutoff! count are fluctuating from 30 to 105 million, motility is great. Caryotyping is normal
Me: 36 FSH is slightly elevated and keep rising 8.5, 8.8, 8.9, 9.8 , AFC is still 12, everything else looks good.

IUI #1: Edmonton, 2011 January ,Clomid 50mg (x5), 106 mil ,68% motile, grade 4 :BFN
IUI #2: Edmonton, 2011 February, Clomid 50mg (x5), 30 mil, 57% motile, grade 3: BFN
IUI #3: Edmonton, 2011 March, Clomid 50mg (x5), 88 mil , 49% motile, grade 4: BFN
IVF#2: 2011 May, Edmonton: long protocol , nasal suprefact : CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
IVF#3: 2011 August, Edmonton: short protocol/natural start: CANCELLED due to high progesterone
IVF#4: 2001 September, Edmonton: short protocol with BCP: CANCELLED due to high progresteron & cyst
Change clinic

IVF #5: 2012 March-April Hungary: stimulation starts march 28, 300 Menopur
mixed protocol: BCP for months, CD3: Menopur 300& lupron for 8 days
ER : April 8th , 4 eggs retrieved, all were mature and fertilized with ICSI and AH
ET : April 11th, 1 A quality 8 cell, and 1 A quality 4 cell embryo transferred, no frosties.
BFP on the HPT at 7dp3dt: happy 37th birthday to me :D
Beta: , 12dp3dt: 150, 2nd Beta, 15dp3dt: 550
Anna has arrived on 21st December after being induced at 39 week. She is 6 lb 9 oz, 20" , and has blue eyes, and long dark brown hair and just perfect !

#4 littlekaaz

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 12:02 PM

Do you feel the numbers make a difference in the end result? My numbers were great at the beginning of my clomid challenge test, and then on day 7 my numbers didn't go up as much as the doc would like them too. Said my eggs were "getting old". Ok, so I am 38, and I do not consider that being old. But I suppose, with everyone, we all go thru menopause at different ages and all. The doc doesn't feel that I am starting menopause, just that my egg quality is getting weak. But meds can help that. When we did IVF, we had great embies. Wonderful ones--top notch. The best that a persons could wish for. But unfortunetly, we ended up with a m/c. I am not sure what I did wrong or what happened, but I just figure that something wasn't in the cards for us, and that God intended for this to happen, to make our marriage stronger. I feel that this year is our year, and this will be our time to have a baby. OUr little miracle will happen this year. I am optimistic and positive.

I am sending lots of baby dust to all of you!!!!

Stacy
Me 38, DH 37

Aug 07---BCP
Sept. 07---Lupron/back on the BCP
due to reaction to Lupron
Oct.---U/S, BCP still
Nov--Stims, ER 11/15 ET 11/18
Dec 3--Beta 18
Dec 5-- Beta 54, pain increasing in back
and abd. Reckd Beta at 2 pm
down to 10
Dec 8---Miscarriage
Jan 08--waiting for Feb.
Jan 30--AF arrived, waiting
until March to do
2nd IVF cycle.
Feb. 24--AF showed up
Feb 25--Start Micro Doses of Lupron 5 units twice a day
Feb 26--Baseline ultrasound- Everything Looked great on Ultrasound!
Feb 27--Start Stims--Menapur and Lupron
March 3---Ultra-sound/bloodwork
March 4--Ultrasound, Trigger shot of HCG, last shot of Lupron
March 5--No shots this day!! First Accupuncture appt.
March 6--ER, Got 6 eggs! start anitbiotics, start progesterone IM 1x daily til beta
March 7--Call from the Dr's office--2 really good eggs, will try for ICSI the 3rd one
March 8--Call from the Dr's office--the 3rd egg took so we now have 3 Awesome eggs!!
March 9---ET of 3 embies!!
March 24--Beta BFN!!
April 8--Dr appt at 1115 to discuss options
Dr. appt revealed to us that my eggs are of poor quality.
Next step is Donor Eggs
Waiting til Fall/Winter to do next cycle



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#5 Duck

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 02:48 PM

I have no idea how fsh and number of follicles are linked - anyone know? I have a day 3 fsh of 7 and only 4 antral follicles in one ovary 0 in the other??

Diagnosed with endometrosis at age 19

5 pelvic surgeries

2 IVF, numerous FETs

2 different gestational carriers

Now mother of 2 year old twins.


#6 whant2bamom

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 03:45 PM

You FSH level can be associated with your ovarian reserve - meaning how many follicles you have remaining. We were born with a certain number of follicles and that number continues to decline as we age. For some of us, the rate of decline is faster - this can sometimes be associated with a high FSH level. Your FSH level can also be indication of the quality of your eggs - high FSH level means your ovaries are working harder at producing follicles, hence your egg quality is not what it once was. One thing to bear in mind is that we always have to look at our FSH levels in relation to our estradiol level. They go hand-in-hand. If your FSH level is within the normal range but your estradiol level is elevated beyond the normal range then this can be an indication that your ovaries are working harder at producing follicles. I believe that all doctor's when they test for Day 3 FSH test your estradiol level at the same time.

Hope this helps!
Me: 31
Dh: 33
TTC: 3.5 yrs
Cause: Unexplained - all tests came back "normal"
6 cycles BD'd w/ fertility meds - 2 of those cycles were combined w/ IUI's - all 6 cycles were BFN
RE suspected MF - thought that sperm were not able to penetrate the egg
IVF#1 combined with ICSI - short protocol began taking meds CD 3
Stimmed w/ suprefact and puregon
8 eggs were retrieved - 3 of which were immature
3 eggs were done w/ ICSI - all fertilized
other 2 eggs were left to fertilize normally- both fertilized
1 embryo stopped developping second day after retrieval
2 embryo's were rated "good" quality and other 2 embryo's were of "poor" quality
decision was made to transfer all 4 on day 3 after retrieval - cycle ended in BFN
IVF#2 planned for jan or feb
RE recommends we try the long protocol where begin taking meds CD 21

#7 littlekaaz

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Posted 06 January 2008 - 05:38 PM

My doc checked on day 3 and again on day 10, this was after my clomid challenge test. My numbers wer Awesome on day 3, but on day 10, they were elevated some, not drastic, but my doc stated that it was doable, and that we could get pregnant anyways. Ok, well, we did get preg. but ended with a m/c.

I am doing so much lurking around, researching and trying to figure all of this out. See what other docs do compared to my doc. One will never know if we do not ask or search.

Stacy
Me 38, DH 37

Aug 07---BCP
Sept. 07---Lupron/back on the BCP
due to reaction to Lupron
Oct.---U/S, BCP still
Nov--Stims, ER 11/15 ET 11/18
Dec 3--Beta 18
Dec 5-- Beta 54, pain increasing in back
and abd. Reckd Beta at 2 pm
down to 10
Dec 8---Miscarriage
Jan 08--waiting for Feb.
Jan 30--AF arrived, waiting
until March to do
2nd IVF cycle.
Feb. 24--AF showed up
Feb 25--Start Micro Doses of Lupron 5 units twice a day
Feb 26--Baseline ultrasound- Everything Looked great on Ultrasound!
Feb 27--Start Stims--Menapur and Lupron
March 3---Ultra-sound/bloodwork
March 4--Ultrasound, Trigger shot of HCG, last shot of Lupron
March 5--No shots this day!! First Accupuncture appt.
March 6--ER, Got 6 eggs! start anitbiotics, start progesterone IM 1x daily til beta
March 7--Call from the Dr's office--2 really good eggs, will try for ICSI the 3rd one
March 8--Call from the Dr's office--the 3rd egg took so we now have 3 Awesome eggs!!
March 9---ET of 3 embies!!
March 24--Beta BFN!!
April 8--Dr appt at 1115 to discuss options
Dr. appt revealed to us that my eggs are of poor quality.
Next step is Donor Eggs
Waiting til Fall/Winter to do next cycle



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#8 hopeful_flyer

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Posted 13 May 2008 - 09:32 AM

I just had my CD3 blood work and U/S done again yesterday.

FSH 7

E2 (don't know number, but she said was great)

Left ovary 14 follies
Right ovary 6

I have read that under 11 total is not great. But I am pretty new to these numbers....LOL.

Guess we'll have to wait and see...
ttc #1 Since Jan 2006. as of April 09 that means ttc for 40 months. Jebus. *sigh*
Bilaterally blocked tubes discovered Dec 2007
IVF#1 June, 2008 agonist protocol
300IU gonal f, 13 days of stims. Nothing to transfer.
EPIC FAIL
IVF#2 Started BCP for Antagonist protocol Oct 9, 2008 (menopur and centrotide)
Last BCP, Nov 2, 2008
First U/S Nov 2, start 300iu Menopur Nov 7, 2008
Back for daily scans and bloods starting Nov 11, 2008
U/S showed 5 follies between 1.1 and 1.25 start Centrotide today.
Nov 13 U/S showed 7 follies between 1.2 and 1.5
Next U/S Nov 14 10 follies
Trigger Nov 15
ER date, Nov 17th
6 retrieved.
4 mature and ICSI'd, 3 dividing on day 1.
3 still alive on day 2
ET Nov 20, 2008. All 3 going back!
8 cell grade 2, 6 cell grade 2, 7 cell grade 3 put back.
8dp3dt Brown spotting
AF arrived Nov 28, WAY early, thanks a lot...*sigh*
Beta Dec 1, 2008 (what is the point? NONE)
RE appointment April 27, 2009 to discuss IVF#2, and then I think we are done. Oh well, was a fun ride? *snicker*

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#9 Nickster

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Posted 13 August 2008 - 08:02 PM

Don't know what all these mean in the big scheme of things (are they good numbers? poor?) but here goes:

Estrogen 95.1
LH 0.305
Progesterone 4.29
FSH 7.30
12 follicles

Anybody know if, based on age, these are decent or at least average numbers?

Thanks to all!

N
Me (Nicki) 44 DH (Kevin) 45
2 furbabies in heaven in '09..I miss you both
Welcomed our new furbaby, Angus 12/09 2nd furbaby, Kismet (aka Haz-Mat) adopted 2/10
Married 1999; Natural pg 2003; m/c 6 weeks
IVF#1: Agonist Protocol, full ICSI & AH
ER 9/06/08: 5 retrieved, 4 fertilized ET 9/09/08:(3) 8 cell embies
Beta 9/23/08 195 Beta 9/25 439
1st u/s 10/08 Non-viable pg @ 6 weeks (again at 6th week...hmmm....)
Nov/Dec: Flottila of tests requested by us to help rule out reasons for m/c; awaiting results.
May 2009: moved to new clinic; awaiting more test results before deciding how to proceed. Tick tock...
July 2009: AMH 18.8, FSH 7; all looks good BUT my eggs are still old. Time is precious, moving on to DE.
Sept 2009: Donor selected at last!
DER est. 11/24; ET 11/27
11/16/09: donor not responding well to stims. Sigh. What now??
11/17/09: 1st set of IP's going exclusive; we're sitting on the curb.
12/07/09: found a new donor (whew). Cycling in Feb 2010?
2/27/10: CD2 check done; DE retrieval est. 3/16/10...here we go again!
3/14/10: Donor triggering; ER 3/16, ET 3/19
3/17/10: (shared cycle) 12 retrieved, 7 mature, 4 fertilized. Four??!!!! Thud.
3/19/10: ET (2) 8 cells 'Laurel & Hardy'; (1) 9 cell frozen.
HPT's all negative. Beta Good Friday 4/02 BFN.
Next step is FET with our lone frostie. Not optimistic. Sigh.
6/21/10: Took an emotional break and feeling better. Will try our FET in late summer and then we're done. But it's all good now :)


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#10 stillhoping

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 01:09 PM

Don't know what all these mean in the big scheme of things (are they good numbers? poor?) but here goes:

Estrogen 95.1
LH 0.305
Progesterone 4.29
FSH 7.30
12 follicles

Anybody know if, based on age, these are decent or at least average numbers?

Thanks to all!

N


Hey Nickster - a little late responding, but these sound like good numbers to me. I initially had Estrogen of 224, which was over the clinic's top recommended level, and FSH of 5.66 (I think). Then, did acupuncture and changed diet... Estrogen down to 150, so a little better, and FSH went to 6.9. My AFC was 9.

Good luck with that Beta! Sounds like you have some nice Embies in there! :)
Me 42 and holding...; DH 41, counting normally.
TTC 6 years or so... have lost count
5 IUI's, 1 cancelled IVF, 2 full ones
Jan 2008 IVF - 13 eggs, 9 mature, 7 fertilized, 2 made it to blast, 1 to morula. BFN.
March 2009 IVF
ER - many, many follicles; 10 eggs, 9 mature, 6 fertilized
ET - transferred 4 embies on Day 3.
First beta = 61.
Second beta = 17. Chemical pregnancy.
Looked at options but now trying to let go....getting closer but still hanging around this site. I don't know why.
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#11 Milena

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Posted 11 March 2009 - 09:41 AM

Hi Stillhoping,
Good luck with the cycle! Keep us posted...
Me 39
Him older
ttc since 2002
Dx: low ovarian reserve, male factor: low motility & morphology, high dna fragmentation
History:
summer 2005 Scheduled IUI cycle
cycle cancelled: natural bfp! baby 1 m/c 12 weeks 2005
winter 2005: Scheduled IVF cycle
cancelled for natural bfp! baby 2 born perfect 2006
baby 3 natural conception, m/c 8.5 weeks (D&C 10.5 weeks) 2008
moving on to IVF
IVF #1. bcp in Jan-Feb 2009, Stims in March. Cycle cancelled on day 8 due to totally pathetic response.
What next?

#12 KennyandFooty

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 04:10 PM

Has anyone found a reliable source of information on E2 levels (monitoring) in Canada? I think, from what I've read, that I should be calculating my own numbers as 1000pmol/L PER mature follicle (16+mm)? Is this correct? (ie. U/S shows 8 follicles over 16mm means E2 #s should be +/- 8000pmol)?

Just want to be able to gauge how I'm doing with my E2 levels this time around...as last time they dropped (resulting in a cancelled IVF).

Thanks for any advice!

Me: 33 DH: 31
TTC 4+ years
Asthmatic - Bricanyl & Symbicort daily
Hydrosalpinges --> Bilateral Tubal removal


IVF#1 - September 2011 - Short protocol - Cancelled/Ectopic pregnancy; Tubal removal (October)
IVF#2 - March/April 2012 - Modified Microdose Flare Protocol - BFN - 3 frozen blasts
FET#1 - July 2012 - Cancelled; zero survive thaw
IVF#3 - October/November 2012 - Modified Microdose Flare Protocol - BFN - 3 frozen blasts
Hysteroscopy and Biopsy February 2013 - All results normal

FET#2 - BFP - March/April 2013 - EDD December 25, 2013

2 frosties waiting

January 1 - Our beautiful baby boy arrived after an emergency induction.  Completely in love! <3


#13 doodle bug

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

Kenny&Footy- I belive 1000 per follicle is ideal (so they say). When I did my cycle, I had 4 follicles and my E2 levels were never much above 2000, and then 2 days before my scheduled retrival my E2 levels plummetted, the DR called me immidiately suggesting we cancel and turn it into iui-but offerring us the option to proceed-which we chose to do-after 18 days of max drugs we were in too deep!- (I believe my E2 level was 800+)Anyways, my 4 follicles all fertilized, and made 2 top grade embryos-resulting in a healthy twin pregnancy! My 22 month old girls are proof that low E2 levels can still result in babies!!
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TTC since July 2008
July 2008 ectopic/surgery
Dec 2008 miscarriage
then BFN for 9 months....

2009
2 medicated IUI -both BFN
IVF # 1 (flare protocol)
Cancelled (poor response)

2010
IVF # 1 (2nd attempt)-microdose flare/estrogen priming
BFP!
Fraternal girls born Dec 2010

2011
Dec-Natural BFP 
M/C at 8.5 wks

2012
Dec-Natural BFP 

NT- all looks good

Baby girl born Aug 2013

 


#14 Emily81

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

DB- I love hearing your story :)

Me: 31, DH:34
? Mild PCOS/ Mild Male factor- Low Morph- 9%
TTC- Since Dec 2005

August/Sept 2009- IUI + injectabes cycle- BFN- was converted from IUI to IVF(20 follies growing) and then back to IUI(3 mature follies)....

IVF/ICSI cycle Sept/Oct 2010- BFP- (I insisisted on ICSI against my Drs wishes, and in the end we needed it)..
Oct 12- ER- 19 eggs, 15 mature, 6 fert
Oct 15- ET- morula- 18/20 & a 10 cell- 19/20 (Faith & Wish)
- OHSS starts 8dp3dt- Early beta in ER-636- 12dp3dt, #2- 4,267- 17dp3dt
Nov 23- 8 week u/s- TWINS
Incompetent Cervix diagnosed at 24 weeks. Hospital bedrest 24- 33 weeks due to 0.6 cm cervix, 1-2 cms dialated(at 24 weeks)
May 16th- 2011- Baby A breaks his water
May 18th- 2011- Boys arrive 33w1d
Baby A- CM- 4 lbs 4 oz, 17.5 in, 3:01 PM Baby B- CL- 4 lbs 2 oz, 16.5 in, 3:55 PM Lilypie Kids Birthday tickers


#15 angelwings2017

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 08:04 PM

I wasn't told of any of my "stats" -is it normal to be advised?



#16 CdnHockeyGal

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 08:44 PM

No - I think most REs don't want their patients worrying or obsessing so they don't provide that info. Legally though it is your right to have that information. Under PHIA the healthcare provider is only the holder of your personal info. If you request it they must disclose it to you. I've always believed that knowledge is power....even when we wish the knowledge were different.

We've tried lots of things for a long time. None of them have resulted in a viable pregnancy.