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#1 MapleBecky

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 06:50 PM

My husband and I got married in July and found out on Dec 1 that he has no sperm. He is 43 and starting to think that he will be beyond his cutoff to become a new dad if it takes us awhile to get pregnant. We went from having sex all the time, thinking that it was going to be "our month" to a total stop. We have had sex once since finding out, and it was awkward, even though we both tried not to think about it. I'm researching like crazy and he has gone into a bit of denial, and is having a hard time talking about it.

It's been about a week and a half since we found out. We are still waiting for appointments and answers. We didn't even have a doctor read the results, we picked them up from the receptionist.

As of this weekend, we have been really irritable with each other, which is not normal for us. We didn't even get a Christmas tree this weekend because we couldn't decide on where to get the tree from. I'm not feeling into Christmas anymore and am so sad and irritable. I don't want our relationship to suffer because of this.

What can we do to make sure it stays strong? I know he has a lot of guilt because it's male infertility and he is blaming himself.

Becky (34)  Unexpectedly widowed in Feb.  Married to an amazing man named Chris.
TTC #2 (his first) since our wedding in July 2011.
Dec 1, 2011- Found out he has azoospermia (no sperm in SA.)
Jan 2012- First consult at fertility clinic.
March 2012- My tests show high LH but everything else was normal. His LH/FSH were high, testosterone was really low. (4.2)
May 17, 2012- Official Dx of testicular failure and NOA. Given the option of mTESE, TESA or using a donor.
June 7, 2012- Urologist is seeing us again per our request. We need him to answer some questions about the procedures and testosterone.
June 27, 2012- Saw RE and decided to proceed with dIUI. Told we needed one cycle on the BCP because of my high LH.
June 28, 2012- Started BCP for 21 days. Did pre-IUI micro and blood testing on July 3rd. Told they should be in on time for IUI in early August.
July 21, 2012- CD1. Called clinic and found out my cycle was canceled. They messed up and my file wasn't ready. They forgot to draw vit D and some other results are missing.
August 9, 2012- Nurse left message saying they cannot do this cycle either. Now it will take 2-3 MONTHS for DH's blood tests before we can use donor sperm.
August 10, 2012- RE called. DH has a reactive Hepatitis C blood test and they are trying to figure out if he's got an active infection or was exposed in the past.
August 23, 2012- He's Hep C NEGATIVE! Phew!
October 2012- Latest SA results still shows azoo, but we're glad the testosterone looks normal now. dIUI after 21 days on the pill. Clomid for cd3-7, LH is too high (17 and 14.6) and progestone getting too high. Had 3, 13.5mm folliciles and my lining is 8.6. CD13- Lining was good, triple layer at about 9. Now I just have one 17.5mm follicle on my left side.
October 17, 2012- dIUI  canceled. Clomid didn't work, estrogen too low, LH was normal again and progesterone was off too. Now we need an appointment to talk to our RE again to start over.
Dec 2012- Saw RE and we have to do IVF/ICSI, even with a donor. So, we decided to throw in a TESA with donor backup. Bloodwork this cycle, BCP and mock in Jan and hopefully a Feb IVF/ICSI/TESA!
Jan 2013- Mock done, start BCP and ASA on Jan 11.

 
IVF #1
Mock done, teaching visit done.  Started Suprefact on Jan 30.  AF arrived on schedule.
Baseline done, starting Gonal-F and Luveris Feb 11.
Stim day 4-  1 follicle at 11mm, 40 more under 10.  My lining is already a triple lining and at 8.6
Stim day 6-  8-9 follices between 11-13mm at least 20 more under 10mm.  This doctor saw my lining at 6.3?   Encouraged to walk because my circulation to my uterus wasn't what they wanted to be this time.  No idea what that means.
Stim day 8-   14 follicles.  All measuring between 11 and 15 with more under 10.   Lining is over 10.  Circulation is good again.   They are letting me skip my day 9 appointment. 
Stim day 10-  TRIGGER tonight!   I have 14 between 15-21mm, a few more at 14 that may catch up.  Lining is over 10.   DH's TESA is tomorrow.
Feb 21-  No sperm found with TESA.   ER tomorrow with donor sperm.
Feb 22-  ER was successful!  Collected 18 eggs.   7 from my right and 8 on my left.  We can skip ICSI because the donor's sperm is great.  Crossing fingers for a good fert report tomorrow.
June 2013- Updating. My husband, Chris, passed away unexpectedly of Sudden Arrhythmia
Death Syndrome just hours after my ER on Feb 23.  Had 14 fertilize.  9, 5-day frozen blasts are at the clinic waiting for me to make some decisions.  Looking at a summer FET, seeing IF psych to make sure I am emotionally ready.

 

FET #1

June 28- teaching appointment, second to last day of BCP.  Start suprefact the next day.

July 2013-  Cycle canceled due to HGSIL (bad pap) and needed LEEP in October 2013.


#2 angelpoo11

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:23 PM

It's tough to find out about infertility but I think it's even tougher at the start of a marriage. We got married in May of 2010 and I was diagnosed this January. It certainly changed a lot in our marriage so I understand where you're coming from. I can't speak for your husband but I do have the same feeling of guilt because in our marriage, I am the one with the infertility issues. I felt helpless and guilty that I can't get pregnant like a normal person and that DH's family has to pay for fertility treatments. (There is no way that we can afford this on our own right now) So there's a lot of guilt and pressure on the line. I can sort of relate and see that your husband may be going through the same. I was in denial and angry, even, when I was first diagnosed and had surgery for my endo. I was so angry at the doctors that said I will need IVF to conceive.
Like you said, it's only been a week and a half since you got the news. Give him some time to accept it and deal with it on his own, but still letting him know that you support him and understands what he is going through. Communication is really important. My husband is not a huge talker, so it was tough for us. Fortunately, I'm very open towards him and I try to tell him how I feel and encourage him to talk to me. Let him know that he shouldn't blame himself and that you will love him no matter what.
There were certainly ups and downs in my marriage. Going through my first IVF, I actually felt that I was closer with DH because he tried to stay involved and cook me dinner and things like that to lift my burden. Not to say that there isn't any rough patches. I feel like I'm going through a rough patch right now but it's mainly due to my own emotions, so I try not to let that affect our relationship. If I get really snappy, I just say, I need to calm down, the hormones are getting to me. And he understands. Just tell him how you feel. Encourage him to talk to you too. If he doesn't want to talk, tell him that's ok too but you'll be waiting for him to share when he is ready.
Don't let this ruin the holidays! Try to do something nice together.
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Oct 31 - CD1
ER: Retrieved 10 (follie count: 11 total, 3>15mm), only 6 mature, 1 abnormal
ET: Injected 4 eggs, 3 fertilized, 1 made it to day 3, transferred 1 good quality 8 cell embryo
M/C at 6 weeks...

Apr 2012 - 2nd IVF w/ ICSI - Antagonist patch protocol
Mar 24 - CD1
ER: Retrieved 6 (follie count: 12 total, 5 >15mm), 4 mature
No transfer, none fertilized

Changed clinic: Hannam
Currently: 3rd IVF w/ ICSI - Antagonist with OCP (GonalF+Luvervis, Etroxin)
Sept 18 - CD1
Sept 22-Oct 20 - BCP (Alesse)
Oct 26 - Baseline check: AFC 13, E2 210 pmol/l
Nov 6 - Triggered! E2: 9100, Lead follicle: 24mm, 6 between 17-21mm, 4 smaller ones. Fingers crossed!
Nov 8 - 8 Eggs retrieved.
Nov 11 - 6 mature, 4 fertilized
Nov 12 - 3 7-8-cell embryos, 1 9-cell embryo, all of good quality!
Nov 13 - transferred 2 good quality blasts!
Nov 14 - Froze 1 snow baby! <3
Nov 22 - Beta 9dp5dt 145 BFP!!! <3
Nov 26 - Beta 13dp5dt 915
Dec 10 - u/s @ 6w4d - 1 bean measuring 6w4d, hb @ 111 bpm
Dec 17 - 7w4d - hb@ 152!!
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#3 impatient

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 06:56 PM

DH and I both have factors going against us so we're fortunate that there's no one-sided guilt or blame, but still, infertility is really hard to accept and to get through. It has affected almost every aspect of our lives, including our relationship. Ultimately, I think it's made us a much stronger couple than we might have been otherwise. I see some of our friends bickering over insignificant details and I feel so fortunate that we never get upset with each other over small stuff.

Your DH probably needs a lot of support right now. When I was struggling with it all, my DH would drill into my head how important I was to him and how it's not his problem or my problem, it's our problem. If you guys aren't into Christmas, maybe you should go on a trip somewhere. I've found for us that everytime we go away, even if it's just for a weekend, we re-find a little piece of ourselves and each other.
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Jun 2008-Sep 2011 in a nutshell: One HSG, one very traumatic office hysteroscopy, one operative laparoscopy, three fresh IVF/ICSI cycles, one chemical, one early miscarriage, two tubal recanalizations, five IUIs (3 with Clomid).

May 2010 - Aug 2011 Attempted adoption application process through the BC MCFD. Aug 2011 Signed up with a private agency. On both waiting lists as of Apr 2012. Proposal through MCFD Jul 2012. Aug 18 - Finally ... she's home and we're a family! : )

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#4 odyssey

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 07:06 PM

We were initially diagnosed with MF, and my DH took it to heart! Time and love helped us! And, so did a talk with the doctor who made him feel like this was not an end-all but a relatively common issue that science can help with.

#5 _journey

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 07:17 PM

We dealt with male factor infertility too (morphology less than 1%). It was a colossal shock when we found out - we were not married at the time, and we weren't even living in the same city. I remember him sobbing on the phone that I could still leave him if I wanted to, and find someone who wasn't "broken". My DH isn't a very emotional or reactive person. He later told me that it was the saddest and most vulnerable he has ever felt - years later, even after we weathered several miscarriages, his diagnosis was still his lowest point. Society places a HUGE value on male virility - being "a man" has a lot to do with the ability to father children. He had no one but me to talk to about it, and I was suddenly in a support role that I never imagined. We initially thought my Luteal Phase Defect was the cause of our fertility issues, and he was so good at comforting me. When the tables turned, it took us both some time to figure out our new roles.

One thing that helped both of us, was to remind him (and myself) that it didn't matter what caused our infertility - me, him - as a COUPLE we were infertile. I strongly emphasized that we were a team, and went out of my way to nurture that sentiment. Immediately after the diagnosis, I dropped everything and showed up at his place... we watched a lot of movies, went on long walks, had supper in a cozy restaurant. We didn't talk about infertility. We didn't talk much at all, in fact. I just tried to show him that I wanted to make this work. It wasn't an instantaneous love-fest, and he wasn't that interested in having sex (for once), but he realized that I loved him no matter what, and I was going to give my best effort to ensure that our diagnosis didn't ruin what we had. Infertility can take so much, and I was adamant that our relationship not become another casualty.

Your diagnosis is still very fresh, and it will take a while to get things back on a more even keel. Infertility will change your life, both individually and as a couple, forever. One can't pretend otherwise. Pull together, don't take your grief and anger out on each other (soooo easy to do), and support each other through the next few months. Be gentle with yourself and with him. Get a Christmas tree, go through the motions if you have to. At some point, it will become genuine again and you'll move forward together.

Good luck to you.
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#6 MapleBecky

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 11:51 PM

Thanks everyone. We're doing better now. We have an appointment to see a fertility specialist in January, so I think we can focus on Christmas and deal with all of this in the new year.

Becky (34)  Unexpectedly widowed in Feb.  Married to an amazing man named Chris.
TTC #2 (his first) since our wedding in July 2011.
Dec 1, 2011- Found out he has azoospermia (no sperm in SA.)
Jan 2012- First consult at fertility clinic.
March 2012- My tests show high LH but everything else was normal. His LH/FSH were high, testosterone was really low. (4.2)
May 17, 2012- Official Dx of testicular failure and NOA. Given the option of mTESE, TESA or using a donor.
June 7, 2012- Urologist is seeing us again per our request. We need him to answer some questions about the procedures and testosterone.
June 27, 2012- Saw RE and decided to proceed with dIUI. Told we needed one cycle on the BCP because of my high LH.
June 28, 2012- Started BCP for 21 days. Did pre-IUI micro and blood testing on July 3rd. Told they should be in on time for IUI in early August.
July 21, 2012- CD1. Called clinic and found out my cycle was canceled. They messed up and my file wasn't ready. They forgot to draw vit D and some other results are missing.
August 9, 2012- Nurse left message saying they cannot do this cycle either. Now it will take 2-3 MONTHS for DH's blood tests before we can use donor sperm.
August 10, 2012- RE called. DH has a reactive Hepatitis C blood test and they are trying to figure out if he's got an active infection or was exposed in the past.
August 23, 2012- He's Hep C NEGATIVE! Phew!
October 2012- Latest SA results still shows azoo, but we're glad the testosterone looks normal now. dIUI after 21 days on the pill. Clomid for cd3-7, LH is too high (17 and 14.6) and progestone getting too high. Had 3, 13.5mm folliciles and my lining is 8.6. CD13- Lining was good, triple layer at about 9. Now I just have one 17.5mm follicle on my left side.
October 17, 2012- dIUI  canceled. Clomid didn't work, estrogen too low, LH was normal again and progesterone was off too. Now we need an appointment to talk to our RE again to start over.
Dec 2012- Saw RE and we have to do IVF/ICSI, even with a donor. So, we decided to throw in a TESA with donor backup. Bloodwork this cycle, BCP and mock in Jan and hopefully a Feb IVF/ICSI/TESA!
Jan 2013- Mock done, start BCP and ASA on Jan 11.

 
IVF #1
Mock done, teaching visit done.  Started Suprefact on Jan 30.  AF arrived on schedule.
Baseline done, starting Gonal-F and Luveris Feb 11.
Stim day 4-  1 follicle at 11mm, 40 more under 10.  My lining is already a triple lining and at 8.6
Stim day 6-  8-9 follices between 11-13mm at least 20 more under 10mm.  This doctor saw my lining at 6.3?   Encouraged to walk because my circulation to my uterus wasn't what they wanted to be this time.  No idea what that means.
Stim day 8-   14 follicles.  All measuring between 11 and 15 with more under 10.   Lining is over 10.  Circulation is good again.   They are letting me skip my day 9 appointment. 
Stim day 10-  TRIGGER tonight!   I have 14 between 15-21mm, a few more at 14 that may catch up.  Lining is over 10.   DH's TESA is tomorrow.
Feb 21-  No sperm found with TESA.   ER tomorrow with donor sperm.
Feb 22-  ER was successful!  Collected 18 eggs.   7 from my right and 8 on my left.  We can skip ICSI because the donor's sperm is great.  Crossing fingers for a good fert report tomorrow.
June 2013- Updating. My husband, Chris, passed away unexpectedly of Sudden Arrhythmia
Death Syndrome just hours after my ER on Feb 23.  Had 14 fertilize.  9, 5-day frozen blasts are at the clinic waiting for me to make some decisions.  Looking at a summer FET, seeing IF psych to make sure I am emotionally ready.

 

FET #1

June 28- teaching appointment, second to last day of BCP.  Start suprefact the next day.

July 2013-  Cycle canceled due to HGSIL (bad pap) and needed LEEP in October 2013.


#7 orchid

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 08:41 AM

Becky - wishing you all the best!
We experienced male factor as well and thinking back of the day we found out was the beginning of the biggest hurdle in our relationship we had to tackle. There were some really intense times, but when it came time to start our cycle, I had a revelation ... if we had to have IF, it is great that we had MF, rather than issues with me because once we sorted the sperm issues out and got pregnant, it would be smooth sailing.
In the end, DH and I are closer than ever ... overcoming IF had made us better partners to each other and a really good team for parenting. I feel more confident now that we can negotiate our way through future challenges because through our IF battle we had established a healthy pattern of interraction in the midst of a challenge. It would have been nice if we didn't have to go through this challenge, but we made the best of it and I am thankfull.
For you, I am hoping that the doctors can find the cause of the azoospermia and hopefully you'll get some good results with medication or surgical sperm aspiration. It's amazing what medicine can do these days!!
Wishing you all the best and sending you lots of babydust!
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TTC since 2003
Male Factor - Arimidex, but limited impact, therefore fast track to IVF

IVF #1, May 2011 - Long Protocol
April 17 - start BCP (Marvelon)
May 3 - start Suprefact
May 13 - start Puregon
May 23 - HCG
May 25 - ER!!!!!!!! 16 eggs retrieved - all ICSI
May 26 - 14 eggs injected - 13 embrios (grow embies grow!)
May 30 - ET - 1 blast and 1 embryo transfered ... saw a taddpole wiggling on u/s!
June 1 - 2 blasts frozen (grade 4BB and 3BC)
June 05 - brown spotting
June 06 - bright red bleed
June 08 - Scheduled beta - BFN - :(

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July 11 - Cycle day 1 - Started Estrace and Baby Aspirin
July 21 - u/s to check lining
July 27 - ET of 2 blasts
Aug 5 - BFP ... beta 164
Aug 8 - beta 429
1st u/s - Sept 1 - singleton - h/b 160
n/t scan - Sept 30
1st OB appt - Oct 5
a/s - Nov 23 - it's a BOY!!
EDD - April 14, 2012

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#8 DesignerBug

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:30 PM

Wishing you much patience, strength and understanding for each other. Infertility takes so much from us, often what we valued most, but didn't even know it. Like others have said, it's a team effort. Your job is now to remind him of that and support him as best you can. He won't be able to get through this without you and you without him.

Good Luck
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TTC#2 - Dreams coming true... Surprise BFP Au Naturel! Never really started trying, but never gave up hope on dreams coming true. 20w2, after 6 days of strict bedrest, we lost our baby boy, Emmett to my incompetent cervix and he was born sleeping. 24cm long, 0.67lbs he was the most perfect little angel and has brought with him many lessons for us to remember him by.

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#9 Elana

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:50 PM

I apologise for my late response to this topic. I was beset by illness throughout the month of December, which I am happily on the mend from!

This is one of the most crucial issues facing couples who are going through fertility issues. It is, perhaps, an "existential" issue when a couple first learns that it will be a complicated and tenuous route to conception. It is common for each member of the couple to receive the news with different attitudes; i.e. one may be overly optimistic while the other is all 'doom and gloom', one may be very expressive with grief while the other, while still suffering, may be more internal. It is critical not to invalidate one another's ways of grieving or coping. Instead, recognise potential signs of distress in one another - loss if interest in other activities (or, conversely, throwing oneself into activities as a way of distraction), bickering, irritability, silence, to name a few - and look at these behaviours as a sign that the other party needs extra support, space, or distraction. I find that when each member of the couple is allowed to cope in their own way without being challenged or forced to behave otherwise, he/she is more open to an honest discussion when he/she is ready for it. If one member of the couple is really shut down, or if the two of you are at odds with one another in terms of coping strategies and how to move forward, counselling with an infertility specialist can be helpful.

Don't forget, after the initial diagnosis and, at times throughout the treatment process, life can become very, very serious. As a couple it is really important to look for ways to still have fun and enjoy one another.

Best of luck,

Elana
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#10 MapleBecky

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:32 PM

Thank you so much for your response. My husband read it too. :)

Becky (34)  Unexpectedly widowed in Feb.  Married to an amazing man named Chris.
TTC #2 (his first) since our wedding in July 2011.
Dec 1, 2011- Found out he has azoospermia (no sperm in SA.)
Jan 2012- First consult at fertility clinic.
March 2012- My tests show high LH but everything else was normal. His LH/FSH were high, testosterone was really low. (4.2)
May 17, 2012- Official Dx of testicular failure and NOA. Given the option of mTESE, TESA or using a donor.
June 7, 2012- Urologist is seeing us again per our request. We need him to answer some questions about the procedures and testosterone.
June 27, 2012- Saw RE and decided to proceed with dIUI. Told we needed one cycle on the BCP because of my high LH.
June 28, 2012- Started BCP for 21 days. Did pre-IUI micro and blood testing on July 3rd. Told they should be in on time for IUI in early August.
July 21, 2012- CD1. Called clinic and found out my cycle was canceled. They messed up and my file wasn't ready. They forgot to draw vit D and some other results are missing.
August 9, 2012- Nurse left message saying they cannot do this cycle either. Now it will take 2-3 MONTHS for DH's blood tests before we can use donor sperm.
August 10, 2012- RE called. DH has a reactive Hepatitis C blood test and they are trying to figure out if he's got an active infection or was exposed in the past.
August 23, 2012- He's Hep C NEGATIVE! Phew!
October 2012- Latest SA results still shows azoo, but we're glad the testosterone looks normal now. dIUI after 21 days on the pill. Clomid for cd3-7, LH is too high (17 and 14.6) and progestone getting too high. Had 3, 13.5mm folliciles and my lining is 8.6. CD13- Lining was good, triple layer at about 9. Now I just have one 17.5mm follicle on my left side.
October 17, 2012- dIUI  canceled. Clomid didn't work, estrogen too low, LH was normal again and progesterone was off too. Now we need an appointment to talk to our RE again to start over.
Dec 2012- Saw RE and we have to do IVF/ICSI, even with a donor. So, we decided to throw in a TESA with donor backup. Bloodwork this cycle, BCP and mock in Jan and hopefully a Feb IVF/ICSI/TESA!
Jan 2013- Mock done, start BCP and ASA on Jan 11.

 
IVF #1
Mock done, teaching visit done.  Started Suprefact on Jan 30.  AF arrived on schedule.
Baseline done, starting Gonal-F and Luveris Feb 11.
Stim day 4-  1 follicle at 11mm, 40 more under 10.  My lining is already a triple lining and at 8.6
Stim day 6-  8-9 follices between 11-13mm at least 20 more under 10mm.  This doctor saw my lining at 6.3?   Encouraged to walk because my circulation to my uterus wasn't what they wanted to be this time.  No idea what that means.
Stim day 8-   14 follicles.  All measuring between 11 and 15 with more under 10.   Lining is over 10.  Circulation is good again.   They are letting me skip my day 9 appointment. 
Stim day 10-  TRIGGER tonight!   I have 14 between 15-21mm, a few more at 14 that may catch up.  Lining is over 10.   DH's TESA is tomorrow.
Feb 21-  No sperm found with TESA.   ER tomorrow with donor sperm.
Feb 22-  ER was successful!  Collected 18 eggs.   7 from my right and 8 on my left.  We can skip ICSI because the donor's sperm is great.  Crossing fingers for a good fert report tomorrow.
June 2013- Updating. My husband, Chris, passed away unexpectedly of Sudden Arrhythmia
Death Syndrome just hours after my ER on Feb 23.  Had 14 fertilize.  9, 5-day frozen blasts are at the clinic waiting for me to make some decisions.  Looking at a summer FET, seeing IF psych to make sure I am emotionally ready.

 

FET #1

June 28- teaching appointment, second to last day of BCP.  Start suprefact the next day.

July 2013-  Cycle canceled due to HGSIL (bad pap) and needed LEEP in October 2013.


#11 ValleyGirl

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 06:07 PM

All of these responses are literally bringing tears to my eyes. You are all so inspiring and strong, I am so glad I found such an amazing source of support And inspiration here. I hope every one of you ladies and your spouses / partners achieve your baby dreams. People like you, smart, kind, caring are meant to be parents..

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